The Trump Presidency 14

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phiwum said:
To be fair, housecats probably kill very few birds of endangered species. It's totally plausible to me that windmills are more threatening to some endangered species. But I speak here only of plausibility, not knowledge.
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Depends on what you mean by "housecat."
https://news.ufl.edu/archive/2003/0...s-threaten-endangered-species-nationwide.html

But as these cats forage for food and establish their territories, they kill more than a billion small mammals and birds each year, many of which are threatened or endangered, a University of Florida study shows.
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https://abcbirds.org/article/articleendangered-hawaiian-gallinules-killed-feral-cats-kauai/

“Feral cats, whether they are dumped on the wildlife refuge by irresponsible owners or they find their way onto the refuge from nearby feral cat feeding stations, are having a very significant and tragic impact on Hanalei National Wildlife Refuge's endangered birds,” said U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Deputy Project Leader Michael Mitchell.
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/moral-cost-of-cats-180960505/

Marra tells the story of Tibbles the cat, who traveled with her owner to an untouched island south of New Zealand in 1894. There, she single-pawedly caused the extinction of the Stephens Island wren, a small, flightless bird found only in that part of the world. Most cats aren’t as deadly as Tibbles, but your average outdoor pet cat still kills around two animals per week, according to the Wildlife Society and the American Bird Conservancy. The solution for these cats is simple, says Marra: Bring them indoors. The Humane Society of the United States agrees.
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Those windmills must have awfully long blades if they're chopping up passing cats into fine bits and, I imagine, creating clouds of red mist. The solution is to use longer poles, or breed sturdier cats.
 
Tero said:
Do you eat at Cracker Barrel?
You voted Trump.
Is country your favorite music?
You voted Trump.
Do you ownn pit bulls?
You voted Trump.
Do you grow stuff out the ground?
You voted Trump, unless it's a kitchen garden.
Do you own a pick up?
You voted Trump.
A shot gun?
Trump.
Do you go to a Baptist church?
You voted Trump.
Are you walthy?
You voted Trump unless you are Soros, Bezos, Al Gore or Bill Gates.
The more horses and guns you own, the more likely you voted Trump.
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This is as ignorant as anything a Trump supporter could come up with.
ANd it's a sad comment that I am the first to call him out on it.
Cultural stereotypes are no better coming from the left then the right.
 
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dudalb said:
This is as ignorant as anything a Trump supporter could come up with.
ANd it's a sad comment that I am the first to call him out on it.
Cultural stereotypes are no better coming from the left then the right.
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I was about to. I like Cracker Barrel (I like any place that has all-day breakfast), grow some of my own veggies, own a shotgun, and own other guns.

But, apparently, we all must be either black or white. Sorry, Michael J. :D
 
Funny, the Cracker Barrel near me always has a large number of Afro Americand and Hispanics eating there......and those groups are not exactly solid Trump supporters.
It's amazing how people who consider themselves sophisticated and tolerant can spout stupid stereotypes about rural and blue collar Americans.
 
dudalb said:
This is as ignorant as anything a Trump supporter could come up with.
ANd it's a sad comment that I am the first to call him out on it.
Cultural stereotypes are no better coming from the left then the right.
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Hey, see post #1559. I shoulda added that I own a shotgun (Beretta Urika), and a pit bull mix, and an SUV (OK not quite a pickup truck). Oh I've been to Cracker Barrel a few times, theres one like .5 miles from me. If you want a good cheap, and wholly unhealthy breakfast they can't hardly be beaten.
 
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dudalb said:
Funny, the Cracker Barrel near me always has a large number of Afro Americand and Hispanics eating there......and those groups are not exactly solid Trump supporters.
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Hmm, guess Cracker Barrel as a company is getting better at having at least some locations not run by blatant racists. Good for them.

(not a stereotype but a reaction to historic issues the company has had with being racist)
 
lobosrul5 said:
Hey, see post #1559. I shoulda added that I own a shotgun (Beretta Urika), and a pit bull mix, and an SUV (OK not quite a pickup truck). Oh I've been to Cracker Barrel a few times, theres one like .5 miles from me. If you want a good cheap, and wholly unhealthy breakfast they can't hardly be beaten.
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I love their hashbrown casserole. Like 350 calories of cheesy potato goodness :D
 
lobosrul5 said:
If it was the case that the US exports were all finished goods, and all the Chinese exports to the USA were raw materials, then that would hold true. Its not even close though. Actually, we only import a small fraction of our steel from China. (Trump tries to make it sound like its a huge number, actually its a very small amount, https://www.trade.gov/steel/countries/pdfs/imports-us.pdf )

Also, you don't get extra demand when a supplier stops buying from you. Not sure where you got that idea from. In reality they'd probably just ship their steel to Japan or maybe Singapore (not Taiwan lol), who would sell to us.

Another thing that will hurt us more than China is, there are far more US backed Chinese companies than the other away around.
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My scenario was a hypothetical situation designed to show that your assertion was not generally true. It’s always a lot more complicated than can be described reaonably in a few paragraphs on an Internet forum. I have no idea who is going to come out worse out of China and the USA and neither do you, but I do know that both will be worse off than if there were no tariffs.
 
ponderingturtle said:
They gave him a 25% chance at winning, why does 1/4 odds suddenly seem like they must be totally broken?
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In fact FiveThirtyEight were pointing out that even when Trump’s odds were something like 15% it didn’t mean he was going to lose, anymore than odds of 17% mean you are going to avoid having your head blown off in a game of Russian Roulette.
 
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wareyin said:
Do you understand that the entire country does not vote for Pelosi? As a member of Congress, only those in her state can vote for her.
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Of course I know how she was elected, but she is in a national position of power and has a national profile.

She is disliked by very close to the same numbers as Trump.

You seem to be either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse.

Classic example of that right here:

wareyin said:
eta: Fun fact, despite The Atheist's contempt for 538 due to them only giving Trump a 1 in 4 chance of winning, they gave Pelosi a greater than 99% chance of winning her last election.
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Two totally unrelated events - of course she was going to win. Just like you could slap a red hat on a chimp and win Alabama, you could slap a blue one on one in Nancy's electorate.
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And best strawman this week goes to...

I said - directly quoted from above, on the subject of 538:

I don't see them as all that authoritative on the subject. I also don't believe Silver's weighting of polls is ideal.

Which morphs into:

ponderingturtle said:
They gave him a 25% chance at winning, why does 1/4 odds suddenly seem like they must be totally broken?
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I wonder if communication skills have declined in recent years?
 
President Trump grants full pardon to Conrad Black
US President Donald Trump granted a full pardon to former media baron Conrad Black on Wednesday. Black was convicted in 2007 of fraud and obstruction of justice, and spent time in a Florida prison.
 
The Atheist said:
Of course I know how she was elected, but she is in a national position of power and has a national profile.

She is disliked by very close to the same numbers as Trump.

You seem to be either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse.
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Ok, can you explain how her national numbers relate at all to her electability? Otherwise, it seems like you don't understand your own point.

The Atheist said:
Classic example of that right here:



Two totally unrelated events - of course she was going to win. Just like you could slap a red hat on a chimp and win Alabama, you could slap a blue one on one in Nancy's electorate.
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Oof, you really just keep stepping on that rake. Doug Jones is a Democratic Senator elected last year to Congress from...Alabama.

The Atheist said:
I said - directly quoted from above, on the subject of 538:

I don't see them as all that authoritative on the subject. I also don't believe Silver's weighting of polls is ideal.

Which morphs into:



I wonder if communication skills have declined in recent years?
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Actually, what you said was "538 also had Donald Trump losing on the morning of election day, so I don't see them as all that authoritative on the subject."

In reality, they were giving Trump about 1 in 4 odds of winning.
 
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wareyin said:
Ok, can you explain how her national numbers relate at all to her electability? Otherwise, it seems like you don't understand your own point.
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I specifically pointed out it was her elevation (election) by members of Congress to Speaker.

If you couldn't find someone more popular, or better equipped to do the job, you should almost give up. She's had the job for a couple of centuries already, and it doesn't create a very progressive image to keep picking the same elitist loser.

wareyin said:
Oof, you really just keep stepping on that rake. Doug Jones is a Democratic Senator elected last year to Congress from...Alabama.
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And they've had a Republican Governor for the last five elections in a row.

wareyin said:
Actually, what you said was "538 also had Donald Trump losing on the morning of election day, so I don't see them as all that authoritative on the subject."

In reality, they were giving Trump about 1 in 4 odds of winning.
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Very good - which shows Hillary with a 75% chance of winning.

They were clearly not authoritative, and still aren't.

Just think - Obama was so far ahead bookies closed their books and paid out on him a week early. If you guys keep missing the point, you'll wake up next November 1 and find the same thing happens with Trump - he'll be a winner before a vote is cast.
 
The Atheist said:
I specifically pointed out it was her elevation (election) by members of Congress to Speaker.

If you couldn't find someone more popular, or better equipped to do the job, you should almost give up. She's had the job for a couple of centuries already, and it doesn't create a very progressive image to keep picking the same elitist loser.
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What does her national popular polling have to do with her fellow Congresscritters picking her as Speaker? Although I do appreciate you bringing this back to Trump, what with him being such an elitist loser.

The Atheist said:
And they've had a Republican Governor for the last five elections in a row.
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That's nice. It has nothing to do with your ignorance of a Democratic Senator after the chimp with the red hat on lost to him.



The Atheist said:
Very good - which shows Hillary with a 75% chance of winning.

They were clearly not authoritative, and still aren't.

Just think - Obama was so far ahead bookies closed their books and paid out on him a week early. If you guys keep missing the point, you'll wake up next November 1 and find the same thing happens with Trump - he'll be a winner before a vote is cast.
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Are you really under the impression that a 75% chance of winning means it's a lock? That giving Trump 1 in 4 odds meant they said he would definitely lose? Let's just ignore all the posts by Nate Silver about how Trump could still win, right?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
President Trump grants full pardon to Conrad Black
US President Donald Trump granted a full pardon to former media baron Conrad Black on Wednesday. Black was convicted in 2007 of fraud and obstruction of justice, and spent time in a Florida prison.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweeted the following after Black wrote a book on Trump

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

@ConradMBlack, what an honor to read your piece. As one of the truly great intellects & my friend, I won't forget! (link:http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...trump-good-guy) nationalreview.com/article/428506…
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Well, of course he did! Not only is Black guilty of the same crimes as Trump but Black praised him in a piece. Two things that would definitely deserve a full pardon!
 
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