America transitions into Gilead

Travis

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Travis
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With Georgia about set to give women who get abortions the death penalty, Ohio requiring ectopic pregnancies be saved...somehow and Alabama deciding rape isn't a problem it is the sluts that claim rape happened that is the problem...well I'd like to say that all the Bernie Bros who said back in 2016 that it was okay, nay a requirement, to vote Stein because women were safe can collectively all just go jump off a cliff. I said then that conservatives would never be satisfied until women were reduced to slaves for men's whims but I was just talking "nonsense" and yet here we now are.
 
Remember: although we get to vote for a new president every 4 years, a Supreme Court Justice could serve for 30 years or more. We don't get to change that in 4 years or 8. Who knows when we'll get a chance again. It could be a long time.

If the Supreme Court lets these laws stand, we won't be able to reverse that decision in 2020. It could only have been prevented in 2016. I'm just hoping that RBG makes it to the end of Trump's term. But even if she does, replacing her with another liberal won't change the balance.

Alabama Lawmakers Move To Outlaw Abortion In Challenge To Roe V. Wade

In what would likely become the most restrictive abortion ban in the country, the Alabama House Tuesday passed a bill that would make it a crime for doctors to perform abortions at any stage of a pregnancy, unless a woman's life is threatened. The legislation is part of a broader anti-abortion strategy to prompt the U.S. Supreme Court to reconsider the right to abortion.

Republican state Rep. Terri Collins of Decatur, Ala. defended her "Human Life Protection Act" during, at times, contentious debate on the House floor.

"This bill is focused on that baby that's in the womb that is a person," Collins said. "That baby, I believe, would choose life."
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A Bill Banning Most Abortions Becomes Law In Ohio

The six-week abortion ban known as the "heartbeat bill" is now law in Ohio. That makes Ohio the sixth state in the nation to attempt to outlaw abortions at the point a fetal heartbeat can be detected.

Gov. Mike DeWine signed the bill Thursday afternoon, just one day after it passed the Republican-led General Assembly. The law is slated to take effect in 90 days, unless blocked by a federal judge.

Now known as the "Human Rights Protection Act," SB 23 outlaws abortions as early as five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before many women know they're pregnant. It is one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country.

The bill does include an exception to save the life of the woman, but no exceptions for cases of rape or incest.
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We will soon get to see exactly where Gorsuch, Kavanauh and Roberts stand on overturning Roe and Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt. Hopefully before 2020. But if there's already 5 votes to overturn Roe, it may already be too late (until perhaps decades in the future).
 
Travis said:
With Georgia about set to give women who get abortions the death penalty,
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This article by the Post says that at least one expert does not think the Georgia bill could be used to prosecute women at all.

Ohio requiring ectopic pregnancies be saved...somehow and Alabama deciding rape isn't a problem it is the sluts that claim rape happened that is the problem...
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Your italicized bit is interesting. Did any Alabama legislators make an argument to that effect? (And especially did anyone say that rape isn't a problem?)

Frankly, I think that a consistent pro-life position would not include any rape exception. If abortion is wrong because the fetus has a right to life and such a right outweighs a woman's right to bodily self-determination, then what does it matter that the fetus is a product of rape? The fetus is not the rapist. The only reason pro-lifers carve out a rape exception is because it is politically wise to do so. Most people are uncomfortable, for obvious reasons, telling a rape victim she must carry the product of rape until birth. But this is just a spineless exception, if one genuinely believes that abortion is morally equivalent to murder.

You do your case no good by exaggerating the positions of the other side (must be a name for that tactic). If you think their positions are unreasonable, why not state them as accurately as possible? Is the majority of the Alabama legislature genuinely claiming rape isn't a problem? I should be startled to learn that (frankly, the bill itself is startling enough). But if there is no such discussion being had, I won't be startled at all, because you repeatedly misrepresent conservative positions.
 
Travis said:
With Georgia about set to give women who get abortions the death penalty, Ohio requiring ectopic pregnancies be saved...somehow and Alabama deciding rape isn't a problem it is the sluts that claim rape happened that is the problem...well I'd like to say that all the Bernie Bros who said back in 2016 that it was okay, nay a requirement, to vote Stein because women were safe can collectively all just go jump off a cliff. I said then that conservatives would never be satisfied until women were reduced to slaves for men's whims but I was just talking "nonsense" and yet here we now are.
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Since when is it a women's issue to be allowed to commit murder without consequence?
 
shemp said:
I just want to say that I agree with Travis on this, but instead of a quick death jumping off a cliff, they should die in a dumpster fire.
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What they'll have is their daughters, sisters, nieces, etc. dying from botched back alley abortions just as they did pre-Roe v Wade. Abortions are not going to away for exactly the same reasons they have always existed.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Since when is it a women's issue to be allowed to commit murder without consequence?
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Since when is it murder? Since when has it been scientifically and medically determined that a fetus has become a 'person'? A person's personal and/or religious belief is not enough reason to control another person's body.
 
Stacyhs said:
Since when is it murder? Since when has it been scientifically and medically determined that a fetus has become a 'person'? A person's personal and/or religious belief is not enough reason to control another person's body.
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Every law reflects someone's personal beliefs. There isnt a law that solely scientific and medical.
 
Travis said:
With Georgia about set to give women who get abortions the death penalty, Ohio requiring ectopic pregnancies be saved...somehow and Alabama deciding rape isn't a problem it is the sluts that claim rape happened that is the problem...well I'd like to say that all the Bernie Bros who said back in 2016 that it was okay, nay a requirement, to vote Stein because women were safe can collectively all just go jump off a cliff. I said then that conservatives would never be satisfied until women were reduced to slaves for men's whims but I was just talking "nonsense" and yet here we now are.
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I think you need a better map. We are "here", but where we are doesn't much resemble your description of it.



However, the unhyped version of events is correct. Abortion may end up illegal in some states soon, for the first time in almost fifty years, and that is, in fact, due to the election of Donald Trump. Still, I was pretty young in 1972, but I don't remember things being as you described. I'm not saying that the situation today is good, but I am saying your description of pending possible events does not match reality.
 
"This bill is focused on that baby that's in the womb that is a person," Collins said. "That baby, I believe, would choose life."

Even one with no brain?
And I don't give a rat's ass what you 'believe', Collins. Keep your "I believes' the hell away from MY body.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Every law reflects someone's personal beliefs. There isnt a law that solely scientific and medical.
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And do those laws tell another person what medical procedures they can and cannot choose to have?

It's my personal belief that Bob the Coward should not be allowed to have a vasectomy because it is tantamount to killing all those unborn children he might father. That was the law at one time too.
 
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Stacyhs said:
And do those laws tell another person what medical procedures they can and cannot choose to have?

It's my personal belief that Bob the Coward should not be allowed to have a vasectomy because it is tantamount to killing all those unborn children he might father. That was the law at one time too.
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Several do.

If you wanted to refute my point, you can try and find a law not based on a personal belief.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Laws and regulations around the FDA
And the laws of the NHS.
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Umm...no. The FDA does not control what medical procedures a person can have. The NHS decides what medical procedures they will PAY for, not what procedures a person can legally have.

ETA: I don't think the NHS has laws, but rather regulations and policies.

Doctor assisted suicide is legal in some countries and some US states.

ETA: Assisted suicide is also concerned with a person who is legally a "person".

In Roe v. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the notion that a fetus is a person. In addition, no federal or state law bans abortion or presents any obstacle to reproductive health care on the basis that a fetus is a person.
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https://rewire.news/legislative-tracker/law-topic/personhood/
 
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Stacyhs said:
Umm...no. The FDA does not control what medical procedures a person can have. The NHS decides what medical procedures they will PAY for, not what procedures a person can legally have.

ETA: I don't think the NHS has laws, but rather regulations and policies.

Doctor assisted suicide is legal in some countries and some US states.
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This is the power to ban

Section 516 of the FD&C Act authorizes the Agency to ban devices that present substantial deception or unreasonable and substantial risk of illness or injury.
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Stacyhs said:
Umm...no. The FDA does not control what medical procedures a person can have. The NHS decides what medical procedures they will PAY for, not what procedures a person can legally have.

ETA: I don't think the NHS has laws, but rather regulations and policies.

Doctor assisted suicide is legal in some countries and some US states.
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The criteria was can and cannot. That is a demonstration of "can"
 
BobTheCoward said:
The criteria was can and cannot. That is a demonstration of "can"
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Nope. As I ETA's above:

Assisted suicide is also concerned with a person who is legally a "person".


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In Roe v. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the notion that a fetus is a person. In addition, no federal or state law bans abortion or presents any obstacle to reproductive health care on the basis that a fetus is a person.
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https://rewire.news/legislative-trac...ic/personhood/
 
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