Today's Mass Shooting

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I just watched the unedited version of the interview yesterday with Brendan Bialy, one of the three students who attacked and subdued one of the gunmen. The interesting thing was that I had seen bits and pieces of the interview, and seen several quotes from Brendan. Here is what he began with, talking about Kendrick Castillo,

"He died a legend. He died a trooper. He got his ticket to Valhalla, and I know that he will be with me for the rest of my life."


I had heard sound bites yesterday that included three out of four of those phrases.



And that was one heck of an interview. There are three sets of parents out there that must be incredibly proud of their kids, and it totally sucks that one pair of those parents will never be able to be with that kid again.


I hope I never get a chance to be a hero, but if I ever do, I hope I could be like those three.
 
Trebuchet said:
So, he's a loon. Left, right, up, down, doesn't matter. All that matters to the NRA is that loons can get guns. Unless they're black loons, which would be bad.
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Yes, but "black loons" have green money too, and I would think that would be the priority!
 
Meadmaker said:
And that was one heck of an interview. There are three sets of parents out there that must be incredibly proud of their kids,
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"I heard his fiance got a letter
That said how Billy died that
The letter said that he was a hero
She should be proud he died that way
I heard she threw the letter away"

Given the option of a dead hero or a live coward, as a parent I'd be much happier with the coward. I get you want to make the best of the situation, but having them be a hero would be little solace for me.
 
pgwenthold said:
"I heard his fiance got a letter
That said how Billy died that
The letter said that he was a hero
She should be proud he died that way
I heard she threw the letter away"

Given the option of a dead hero or a live coward, as a parent I'd be much happier with the coward. I get you want to make the best of the situation, but having them be a hero would be little solace for me.
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Yeah. That's where the "sucks" part comes in.


And it wouldn't even need to be a "coward". It's not like the other kids in the classroom, the ones who didn't attack the shooter, were cowards. They were just ordinary. If Kendrick had been ordinary, he would just have been a face in the crowd, reunited with his parents. Or, thinking as I type, maybe he wouldn't have been, because maybe he would have been killed along with a bunch of others. We'll never know. But, so it goes. He's dead. There's nothing for it.

I don't know if the pain that his parents feel will be in any way diminished just because they are proud of him.

I remember a line from a bad movie from some years back. I think the speaker was making a classical reference, but I am not sure. "Some say, 'Happy is the land who has heroes.' I say, 'Pity the land that needs them'"

It really sucks that we need heroes in our schools.

ETA: I looked it up. Bertolt Brecht

Andrea: Unhappy is the land that breeds no hero.
Galileo: No, Andrea: Unhappy is the land that needs a hero.
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William Parcher said:
Investigators probing whether private STEM School guard shot a student and fired upon deputies



https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/09/stem-school-shooting-security-guard-colorado
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More information on that:

STEM School Highlands Ranch security guard saw muzzle of weapon, fired 2 rounds, sources say

HIGHLANDS RANCH, Colo. — The investigation into a suspected incident of “friendly fire” during the attack on a Highlands Ranch school centers on reports that a private security guard saw the muzzle of a gun come around a corner and shot back, 9Wants to Know has learned.

But that muzzle was apparently the gun of a responding Douglas County sheriff’s deputy, who was not wounded in the incident, multiple law enforcement sources confirmed Friday.

The security guard, who works for BOSS High Level Protection, was reported to have fired two shots at the sheriff’s officer...
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Investigators are also looking into the possibility that a bullet fired by that security guard may have hit and wounded one of the students who was injured in the attack. That question is not likely to be settled until all ballistics testing is completed.
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The security officer has not been publicly identified. However, 9Wants to Know has confirmed that he is a 29-year-old former sheriff’s deputy and Marine – and that he apprehended one of the teenage suspects in the incident.

He enrolled in the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department’s academy July 11, 2013, graduated that December, and worked in the jail before leaving the department Aug. 23, 2017, according to records provided to 9Wants to Know.

Before that, he served in the U.S. Marine Corps from June 2008 to June 2012, deploying twice to Afghanistan. After his four-year stint of active duty ended, he spent three more years in the reserves, 9Wants to Know confirmed with the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Very difficult situation. The security guard knew there was more than one shooter, it seems a pretty reasonable assumption that an unannounced gun coming around a corner belonged to a bad guy. More things to be investigated.

The "nobody move" command still puzzles me. Also, the hearing that was supposed to see charges filed today was postponed until next Wednesday at prosecution request. There is obviously something that isn't all that straightforward to sort out. It could be as simple as figuring out who shot whom, to determine exact charges, or maybe investigation to what extent one shooter was "in charge" to the point where reduced charges might be appropriate for one of the shooters.
 
Meadmaker said:
...or maybe investigation to what extent one shooter was "in charge" to the point where reduced charges might be appropriate for one of the shooters.
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If they do that "felony murder" charging thing then the crime partner gets charged with murder also even if they didn't kill.
 
William Parcher said:
If they do that "felony murder" charging thing then the crime partner gets charged with murder also even if they didn't kill.
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But in many cases they treat the "ringleader" differently, especially if there are signs the relationship was coercive or domineering. Tim McVeigh and John Mohammed were executed. Their partners, who were really just as involved as they were, got life in prison.

Certainly both of these people could be eligible for first degree murder charges, or even the death penalty. (Did courts ban that for under 18s? I can't remember.) However, I wouldn't expect to see a death penalty sought in this case, but that's up to prosecutors.
 
Checkmite said:
Yes; in 2005.
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Thanks. So, they could both get first degree murder charges. One could get the death penalty. However, prosecutors might decide to press lesser charges if, after review, they decide first degree murder isn't appropriate for one of the gunmen. (I would certainly expect at least one first degree murder charge, and probably two, but I wouldn't expect seeking the death penalty for either.)
 
William Parcher said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7003307/Two-injured-shots-fired-Denver-school.html
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Daily Mail UK

In review, the Daily Mail tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wordings such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”, which is obviously a fake news story. In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing as well as sourcing to themselves. In general, most stories favor the right, however the Daily Mail will report either side if the story is sensational enough.

You can check most media outlets here and, so, perhaps look for something more reliable than the Daily Fail? It has the same integrity as Faux News.
 
EHocking said:
Daily Mail UK

In review, the Daily Mail tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wordings such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”, which is obviously a fake news story. In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing as well as sourcing to themselves. In general, most stories favor the right, however the Daily Mail will report either side if the story is sensational enough.

You can check most media outlets here and, so, perhaps look for something more reliable than the Daily Fail? It has the same integrity as Faux News.
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It is consistent with other outlets who are reporting on the story about the deputy. It has a bit more detail, which presumably means they are willing to go to press with a bit less confirmation, but the basic substance of the story, that the guard fired at responding deputies, and may have hit a student, has been fairly widely reported.

Sometimes when I decide not to wait for reputable outlets, I go to the Drudge Report. They are rarely wrong. I just always figure that they can't be trusted quite as easily as the majors. They'll link to some dodgy sources. In the case of this story, though, they haven't seemed very interested. There have been very few links of any sort.
 
A stopped clock ... etc

Except in the Fail’s case, the clock has more often not than been dropped in bull ****, which was the point of my caution about using it, generally, as a valid news source.
 
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Reports today that the trans person is being charged as an adult and for the shared charges of murder, attempted murder and a bunch of other charges.
 
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