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Trans Women are not Women

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People are looking for a solution to a problem that only exists in the minds of a very few people.
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Yes; this exactly. It's a tiny minority wanting to break a system that works pretty well for almost everyone else just because they don't like the way it works for them.
 
DragonLady said:
Because the same few men we women shouldn't be concerned about won't knock the crap out of them, either. Or something like that.
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I have never seen these stats of multiple trans women being knocked the crap out of.

Do you have a link to them?
 
Unfortunately it's never been shown to be something that happens to a statistically-significant degree. It's all anecdotes.
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There's a bit of a rub, there, isn't there?

In either case: rape of females, or violent assaults against transsexuals, the only way to get a statistically significant number is to put them into situations where the risk is higher. Thus intentionally putting them in harm's way for the sake of a social experiment.
 
cullennz said:
I have never seen these stats of multiple trans women being knocked the crap out of.

Do you have a link to them?
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Well, if it never happens, and all the transwomen are safer -and thus more welcome- in the men's room, then why not just settle for doing that?

The females can have their segregated places, and the men who are arguing we don't need them can give up theirs.

Win-win, right?

/thus endeth the washroom debate facet of this multifaceted thread
 
When I worked in retail the non binary class folks wouldn't use a busy restroom. They would watch and wait for an empty men's room and slip in as unnoticed as possible.

One checkout "girl" would never use store facilities at all an entire shift.

A large quantity of discretion was in place among them. If any odd looking person entered a restroom wearing the wrong clothes a smalll group of dayshift workers would snicker over it for days. Night shift we really only cared you didn't leave a horrible mess for us.
 
DragonLady said:
Well, if it never happens, and all the transwomen are safer -and thus more welcome- in the men's room, then why not just settle for doing that?

The females can have their segregated places, and the men who are arguing we don't need them can give up theirs.

Win-win, right?

/thus endeth the washroom debate facet of this multifaceted thread
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If a trans man or woman wants to use the dudes go for their life

For the issue was the womens and trans women
 
DragonLady said:
Weellll I haven't looked into it, so I don't know if it's true, but have heard statistics bandied about saying illegal immigrants are more likely to commit other crimes, including rape. I guess the idea is "in for a penny, in for a pound".

But, again, I can't say if that's accurate or not.
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It's not.

The statistics you have heard bandied about were probably being bandied about by Trump, his supporters, and hard-line, anti-immigration conservatives.

If you use the phrase I highlighted in you post as a search term in your browser you will find many more articles like this one, from the Washington Post;

Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime​

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But the social-science research on immigration and crime is clear: Undocumented immigrants are considerably less likely to commit crime than native-born citizens, with immigrants legally in the United States even less likely to do so. A number of studies published in the past several months clearly illustrate the consensus.
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quadraginta said:
There have been.

And the guys won.
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Goes both ways tbf

There used to be plenty of dude only things that all got opened up to women due to feminist pressure.

Golf clubs, mens clubs etc

On the other side of the coin there are plenty of women only things left
 
DragonLady said:
In either case: rape of females, or violent assaults against transsexuals, the only way to get a statistically significant number is to put them into situations where the risk is higher. Thus intentionally putting them in harm's way for the sake of a social experiment.
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Women (many/most/not all/whatever; I am not gonna verify this) don't typically possess their fear of such crime, or the perceived risk of such crime on the basis of published objectively verified statistics. They won't feel "safer" about a situation if you show them data saying it's fine. Women are measurably less at risk of many forms of violent crime, for example, than men are even though women believe their risk is higher. Some fine sceptics including a lot of fine male sceptics point to this as irrational, silly, unfairly demonising of men, something women should be encouraged to "just get over" and certainly something that should not be actually accommodated by social arrangements.

The thing is, it is highly pervasive and persistent and highly globally uniform and it is not going to change. And it actually is rational. The reasons it is rational stem from the generally greater physical and (arguably) greater social vulnerability of women in respect of crimes like rape and sexual assault (the latter extends to observations like: after a woman is attacked by a man in a street at night, the police may well advise women to essentially curfew themselves going forward, at least until the perpetrator is caught, but you won't ever hear them asking men instead to do that so that women don't need to.). The reality of greater vulnerability means that women think that if they are going to be selected out as a victim it is much more likely to succeed. Add to this that fear of rape is almost exclusively one held by women, and that many if not most rapes and attempted ones are not in reported data, and that most reported instances are not successfully prosecuted or even pursued. And women all have their own personal data repository of sexual harassment and similar experiences that externally gathered data is not going to supercede no matter how much sceptical folks think it should do.
 
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