2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

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TragicMonkey said:
Well, I'm glad the Democrats have a cunning strategy for this election and aren't leaving things in the hands of whatever idiot was doing the strategies last time.

If anyone can truly relate to and understand working class Midwesterners it's a millionaire California bone witch.
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Empty posturing. Whatever.

It's a conversation, not an interrogation. Anybody can say anything to anyone, or generally to everyone present. That's how conversations work. If you want to interview one person at a time find a private chat room.
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You miss my point by a country mile and then some. (Paging Foghorn Leghorn.) I'll add though, in addition to being vague, it's a chicken **** style of posting.
 
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Delvo said:
Pelosi's "cunning strategy" of rolling over for the Republicans and joining them in the fight against any sign of progressiveness/populism is sure to finally start bringing Democrat success any year now. (Especially in those few swing states that notoriously swung populist last time.)
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I thought Rip was a solo act, not realizing there was an extended Van Winkle family.
 
varwoche said:
Empty posturing. Whatever.

You miss my point by a country mile and then some. (Paging Foghorn Leghorn.) I'll add though, in addition to being vague, it's a chicken **** style of posting.
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And you wonder why people don't want to talk to you?
 
It's incredibly self righteous and disingenuous to be a support of one of the Parties that runs the system and finger wag someone who the system doesn't let have a voice.

The fact that third party/independent votes are either A) meaningless or B) counterproductive isn't some accident.
 
Belz... said:
It's weird how you lash out at people who ask you to support your opinions with something. I mean, this is a discussion forum. Isn't it expected that if you voice your opinion, you might be asked to justify it?
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Politeness counts. I'm not the one 'lashing out' and using terminology that gets asterisked. Why would I continue an exchange which is becoming unpleasant? I am not motivated to go on talking until everybody agrees with me or quits, and I don't like it when people start getting yelly.

As for justifying opinions I have stated mine and explained why I hold it. That you disagree with me is no cause for you to insist I provide different justification more to your liking. I'm not seeking your agreement so I have no reason to attempt to win you over by saying more and different things. We disagree, that's all.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Politeness counts. I'm not the one 'lashing out' and using terminology that gets asterisked. Why would I continue an exchange which is becoming unpleasant?
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I agree wholeheartedly. However as someone who can be quite nasty when poked, I can understand Varwoche's post. And as someone who can be quite nasty when poked, perhaps you can understand as well. I know it doesn't help discussion when one party is uncivil, but we all experience frustration that makes us uncivil sometimes.

As for justifying opinions I have stated mine and explained why I hold it. That you disagree with me is no cause for you to insist I provide different justification more to your liking.
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But that's not why I'm asking. I'm asking because, as I indicated, what you provided does not demonstrate hostility.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's incredibly self righteous and disingenuous to be a support of one of the Parties that runs the system and finger wag someone who the system doesn't let have a voice.

The fact that third party/independent votes are either A) meaningless or B) counterproductive isn't some accident.
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The problem I have with the "prominent" third parties is that they can't even figure out how to elect a state legislator, but they still want to join a national race as if they've done all the hard work of establishing a national constituency.

Show me a Green Party that's elected a Governor, and I'll show you a Green Party that's entitled to a voice in Presidential elections.
 
Belz... said:
But that's not why I'm asking. I'm asking because, as I indicated, what you provided does not demonstrate hostility.
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Banks. Banks, banks, banks. I don't want to get into it because it's a derail. But in my opinion the Democrats have been in the pocket of the banks and financial industry big players for decades, and serving their interests which are very much against the interests of the middle class.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Banks. Banks, banks, banks. I don't want to get into it because it's a derail. But in my opinion the Democrats have been in the pocket of the banks and financial industry big players for decades, and serving their interests which are very much against the interests of the middle class.
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Perhaps you're right on that. Would you be willing to discuss it in a dedicated thread?
 
Belz... said:
Perhaps you're right on that. Would you be willing to discuss it in a dedicated thread?
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Not really, I find it depressing to think about. And as I'm confined to my phone for internet at the moment I can't do things like post links or write anything lengthy.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's incredibly self righteous and disingenuous to be a support of one of the Parties that runs the system and finger wag someone who the system doesn't let have a voice.

The fact that third party/independent votes are either A) meaningless or B) counterproductive isn't some accident.
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Actually, it kinda was an accident. Recall that the people who came up with our system didn't anticipate, among many other issues, political parties holding outsized influence over politics, including platforms, computer-based gerrymandering, and so forth. One political parties formed, it's a simple statistical fact that our system moves to equilibrium as a two-party system.

This is not to say that I necessarily discourage voting for other parties - I routinely tell dems in my state (first MA, now MD) to look at other parties in the hopes that they'll at least qualify for debates and financing next time around. And I told principled conservatives to consider Evan McMullin last election, as he isn't an ignorant, narcissistic, white supremacist head of a criminal syndicate. But in the long run, I would definitely like to see reforms to US governments that encourage other political parties to have a chance - although this is very unlikely to happen.
 
And Biden really needs to get a consultant in who will apply mascara. He's got the beady white-lashed eyes of a rabbit, which makes him look furtive. Looking like a creepy old guy is definitely not helping him out when there's plenty suggesting he is actually a creepy old guy. And looking extremely white isn't a plus at the moment, unless he's going for the albino vote. Darkening his eyelashes would help him out.

Yes, telegenic assessment is a shallow criticism. But people are shallow, and JFK didn't win by looking uglier than Nixon.
 
To be fair, I also expected at some point that the Republicans would "discover" some loop-hole such as, "Gee willikers! Can you believe Donald Trump filled out his application wrong...I guess we'll have to give the nomination to Paul Ryan after all because it says that in the Republican constitution the lawyers were poring over last night...awww shucks!"
 
JoeMorgue said:
Impossible. You have to have to a minority candidate to appeal to minority voters. Those are the rules.

The Dems will continue their quest to find whatever the opposite of a Great White Hope is because that's the story they want to tell.
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Haha, no.

As I said before, Biden's support is coming from voting groups (particularly black women) that have learned to be practical about these matters. There's an old saw about how when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act he said "I'll have these <N-word>s voting democrat for the next 200 years!" There's no reason to believe this is anything but one of many cynical attempts to get black people to vote for GOP candidates, but even if it were true, the basic reaction is "Okay. And?" When the vote comes down to LBJ vs. Barry Goldwater, or whoever vs. Ronald Reagan, or anyone vs. Dolt 45, there's no real question about who black women, and minority voters in general, will fare better under. Even Obama knew he had to both push hard to introduce himself to black voters, *and* to show that white people were willing to vote for him, before he was considered anything other than a wild fantasy.

And since his election, the backlash was loud and clear. We've seen the VRA gutted based on spurious reasoning, the demonization of black people for non-crimes like walking home from the store or standing around in Staten Island, the revival of the US economy cast as "payback for slavery", and a government takeover by a group of white supremacists led by a career criminal.

"White Voters"TM have made themselves clear. "We hate darkies, we hate independent women, we hate queers, and we'll give up our own futures just to express this." Got it. They've also made clear that they don't mind children in cages, turning the US into an international pariah, or child molestors as long as they're straight white Christian men.

Okay. Biden's a straight white Christian man, who will actually not actively try to leave people to die of disease, won't turn the US into a complete laughing stock, won't talk about how wonderful murderous white nationalists are, and at the very worst hasn't actually been accused of rape or child molestation.

Consider it a bit of a bet. If "White Voters"TM still go for Dolt 45, then we really have to turn to other (hopefully nonviolent) means to set them straight, since it means they actively *like* child rape, disease, and murdering people based entirely on skin color.

(And again, I'm not discussing every white voter, but I'm definitely discussing the MAGAts, the folks that voted for Obama because he'd "prove racism is over" or for Bernie but then switched to Dolt 45, and so forth. I've more or less been convinced that most republican voters, find cruelty, ignorance, and bigotry attractive. The rest...we'll see.)
 
JoeMorgue said:
Impossible. You have to have to a minority candidate to appeal to minority voters. Those are the rules.

The Dems will continue their quest to find whatever the opposite of a Great White Hope is because that's the story they want to tell.
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Don't kid yourself. Mainstream democrats are comfortable with Biden. Even for that subset who would probably prefer a Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, or even Elizabeth Warren, Biden is a safe bet for them.

I think that if it wasn't Trump on the opposite end, this race of finding the "opposite of a Great White Hope" would be much more energized. The DNC just wants to play its hand right.
 
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