Mueller Investigation pt 6

[phiwum]

How I long for more substantive and thoughtful arguments from conservatives.

ThePrestige does as well as any of those who support Trump on this forum. (I hope he agrees with the claim that he supports Trump. Regardless of who he wanted elected, and I don't know his opinion, he definitely defends Trump more than he criticizes him.)

That said, I don't find ThePrestige's arguments convincing very often.

 

[kookbreaker]

Awwww. Lol.

Beep. Boop.

 

[Dr. Keith]

ThePrestige does as well as any of those who support Trump on this forum. (I hope he agrees with the claim that he supports Trump. Regardless of who he wanted elected, and I don't know his opinion, he definitely defends Trump more than he criticizes him.)

That said, I don't find ThePrestige's arguments convincing very often.

I think theprestige could make very solid arguments that the earth is flat. They would not be convincing, but they would be far better that the average flat earther.

In other words, I don't think he is pro-Trump so much as he was anti-Hillary and thinks that Trump isn't as bad as most liberals think he is. You work with what you got when you find yourself in that sort of situation.

 

[theprestige]

ThePrestige does as well as any of those who support Trump on this forum. (I hope he agrees with the claim that he supports Trump. Regardless of who he wanted elected, and I don't know his opinion, he definitely defends Trump more than he criticizes him.)



That said, I don't find ThePrestige's arguments convincing very often.

I do "support Trump", but on my own terms, which may not be familiar to some.

 

[theprestige]

I think theprestige could make very solid arguments that the earth is flat. They would not be convincing, but they would be far better that the average flat earther.

In other words, I don't think he is pro-Trump so much as he was anti-Hillary and thinks that Trump isn't as bad as most liberals think he is. You work with what you got when you find yourself in that sort of situation.

I was anti the GOP establishment before I was anti Hillary. Giving them the finger was a once in a lifetime opportunity. But if I thought for a moment that our institutions could not handle Donald Trump, I would never have voted for him. I consider the past two+ years a clear vindication of my assessment. 5/7 perfect score, would vote again.

 

[phiwum]

I do "support Trump", but on my own terms, which may not be familiar to some.

Okay. I didn't want to mischaracterize your position and I guess I didn't, even if I don't know the details.

 

[Cabbage]

I was anti the GOP establishment before I was anti Hillary. Giving them the finger was a once in a lifetime opportunity. But if I thought for a moment that our institutions could not handle Donald Trump, I would never have voted for him. I consider the past two+ years a clear vindication of my assessment. 5/7 perfect score, would vote again.

Two+ years is a woefully short time period to analyze the full effect of a four year presidential term.

 

[theprestige]

Okay. I didn't want to mischaracterize your position and I guess I didn't, even if I don't know the details.

Your characterization was solid, and I respect you for it, even if we don't see eye to eye on practically anything else.

 

[Craig4]

Watching the news tonight, I wonder why everyone is so surprised. We know Trump supporters aren't patriots and don't love their country. We know Trump supporters have weak characters. We know Trump supporters lack integrity. I don't understand why the news tonight is surprised that Barr, a Trump supporter showed the world that he's not a patriot, he doesn't love his country, he has a weak character and no integrity. Let's not clutch the pearls here. We always knew his faults because no one with character, patriotism or integrity would work for the Trump administration. If you support the administration, we already know you're a traitor.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

According to the Liberal Fake News Mainstream Media Washington Post, Mueller wrote a letter to Barr complaining about Barr's misrepresentation of the contents of the Mueller Report:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.897101bf0b27

 

[smartcooky]

According to the Liberal Fake News Mainstream Media Washington Post, Mueller wrote a letter to Barr complaining about Barr's misrepresentation of the contents of the Mueller Report:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.897101bf0b27

The Liberal Fake News Mainstream Media New York Times is carrying the same story

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/30/us/politics/mueller-barr.html

"WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, wrote a letter in late March to Attorney General William P. Barr objecting to his early description of the Russia investigation’s conclusions that appeared to clear President Trump on possible obstruction of justice, according to the Justice Department and three people with direct knowledge of the communication between the two men.

The letter adds to the growing evidence of a rift between them and is another sign of the anger among the special counsel’s investigators about Mr. Barr’s characterization of their findings, which allowed Mr. Trump to wrongly claim he had been vindicated."


So much for all those Trump sycophants here who claim that Barr should be believed and taken at his word.

Barr appears to be rapidly dragging himself down the same hole that Trump has being digging for himself... what a horrible historical legacy to choose for yourself... being Trump's voluntary fall guy...

 

[thaiboxerken]

Pfft. As if Mueller has any idea what was in the report...... FAKE NEWS! NO COLLUSION!!

 

[Ziggurat]

So much for all those Trump sycophants here who claim that Barr should be believed and taken at his word.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.5dcff8e2a66b

"A day after Mueller sent his letter to Barr, the two men spoke by phone for about 15 minutes, according to law enforcement officials.
...
When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said."

So much for all those Trump conspiracy theorists here who claim that Barr is lying to cover up Trump's crimes.

 

[smartcooky]

I was anti the GOP establishment before I was anti Hillary. Giving them the finger was a once in a lifetime opportunity. But if I thought for a moment that our institutions could not handle Donald Trump, I would never have voted for him. I consider the past two+ years a clear vindication of my assessment. 5/7 perfect score, would vote again.

So if I understand your position correctly, you're perfectly happy that your President...

- enables right wing hate groups
- divides the country along race lines
- promotes the separation of children from their families
- supports keeping those children in cages
- has lied to the American public over 10,000 times in this two years
- promotes the use of fossil fuels
- has used emergency powers to build a vanity monument
- is a verifiable criminal and fraudster
- is a confirmed misogynist and fine with assaulting women
- has alienated your traditional allies while rolling over for the dictator of a hostile foreign power
- has made your country a laughing stock to the rest of the world

 

[smartcooky]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...82d3f3d96d5_story.html?utm_term=.5dcff8e2a66b

"A day after Mueller sent his letter to Barr, the two men spoke by phone for about 15 minutes, according to law enforcement officials.
...
When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said."

These "officials" will, of course, be under Barr's direct control. They will have said what they have been told to say.

 

[acbytesla]

These "officials" will, of course, be under Barr's direct control. They will have said what they have been told to say.

Not necessarily. The assumption that anyone and everyone who works for Barr will lie to Congress seems a stretch. Especially if they are career DOJ.

 

[Ziggurat]

These "officials" will, of course, be under Barr's direct control. They will have said what they have been told to say.

The conspiracy expands. Diabolical!

 

[smartcooky]

The conspiracy expands. Diabolical!

Not a conspiracy, just facts, in plain sight, visible to anyone who takes the time to look.

I have read what Barr said

I have read the Mueller report

I clearly see that Barr has completely misrepresented and mischaracterised what Mueller has said in the report. You have to be Blind Freddy or wilfully, and deliberately stupid (or a Trump sycophant - which amounts to the same thing) not to see this.

 

[smartcooky]

Not necessarily. The assumption that anyone and everyone who works for Barr will lie to Congress seems a stretch. Especially if they are career DOJ.

Zig wasn't talking about what they said to Congress, he was talking about what some anonymous "law enforcement officials" allegedly told a newspaper. I have no doubt they have been told what to say.

It will also be why Barr doesn't want to testify to Congress, he will be caught in the lies he has told.

 

[Ziggurat]

Not a conspiracy, just facts, in plain sight, visible to anyone who takes the time to look.

You're alleging that Barr told them, in secret, to lie about his conversation with Mueller. Yeah, that's a conspiracy theory all right.