• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Just wanted to add that treatment for mental health has progressed quite a bit the last half century since the 1970's. Based on this alone, you will want to give it another chance. Best of luck to you.
 
Scorpion: do you not think it significant that the only people who consider (or who pretend to consider) your experiences to be real are those who stand to profit from this?
On the other hand, the psychiatrists you visited diagnosed you with a medical condition- a condition you accept you suffer from- which produces exactly the kinds of experiences you describe, and yet you reject their diagnosis and question their motives.
On what grounds do you do this? Can't you see how you are your own worst enemy?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Scorpion: do you not think it significant that the only people who consider (or who pretend to consider) your experiences to be real are those who stand to profit from this?
On the other hand, the psychiatrists you visited diagnosed you with a medical condition- a condition you accept you suffer from- which produces exactly the kinds of experiences you describe, and yet you reject their diagnosis and question their motives.
On what grounds do you do this? Can't you see how you are your own worst enemy?
Click to expand...

I maintain that I have had evidential messages from the spirit world through mediums, and on occasions a spirit has spoken directly to me.

I also maintain that I could often feel spiritual healing, and I could channel energy through my chakras.

I have the bulk of my psychiatric file, which I recently obtained under the data protection act, and no psychiatrist I have ever seen has believed a word I ever said to them. They all describe my views as delusions. I don't believe in them, and they don't believe in me. I have not seen a psychiatrist for years and I don't want to. They would just humour me like they always have. If they think they are so sophisticated that they did not make it obvious to me they were humouring me they are wrong. I could see through them but they could not see through me. Now I have documentary proof of their diagnosis which confirms what I always knew. I was wasting my breath talking to them.
 
Scorpion said:
I maintain that I have had evidential messages from the spirit world through mediums, and on occasions a spirit has spoken directly to me.

I also maintain that I could often feel spiritual healing, and I could channel energy through my chakras.

I have the bulk of my psychiatric file, which I recently obtained under the data protection act, and no psychiatrist I have ever seen has believed a word I ever said to them. They all describe my views as delusions. I don't believe in them, and they don't believe in me. I have not seen a psychiatrist for years and I don't want to. They would just humour me like they always have. If they think they are so sophisticated that they did not make it obvious to me they were humouring me they are wrong. I could see through them but they could not see through me. Now I have documentary proof of their diagnosis which confirms what I always knew. I was wasting my breath talking to them.
Click to expand...

Well, ...

If you refuse to accept help, then good luck to you because I am sure that you will need it.
 
Scorpion said:
The problem is nobody believes me.
Click to expand...

Why do you believe yourself? It is very common that hallucinations seem real to the person who experiences them. Do you accept that not all hallucinations are real? How do you ensure that your experiences with spirits are not hallucinations, no matter how real you feel they are?

I put it to you that you regard these experiences as real because they first into your world view.
 
Scorpion said:
I also maintain that I could often feel spiritual healing, and I could channel energy through my chakras.
Click to expand...
All evidence to the contrary, you maintain things that don't exist. Why?

Recall that you are posting to the International Skeptics Forum, a discussion platform promoting science and critical thinking. A hallmark of the latter is the willingness to change one's mind contingent on new information that contradicts a belief. The opposite of that would be not changing one's mind no matter what contradictory evidence is presented. <---- This is you. You are doing the opposite of what this place is about. Perhaps then you could provide some evidence of the chakras, energy fields, and/or spiritual healing you claim?

Scorpion said:
I have not seen a psychiatrist for years . . . I could see through them but they could not see through me.
Click to expand...
We can all see through you. You make outlandish unsupported claims on the daily. These are delusions and one needn't be a psychiatrist to determine so.
 
This may seem to be a bit off topic, but anyway...
A friend of mine sent me a message with photos from Sri Lanka "Just landed in Paradise" and added a few photos with beach and palms - about one hour before the news started to flow. It took me some time to find out she was O.K. because of the social media blackout. Uf...
Anyway, she is a reincarnation of an Egyptian princes, galactic being that lets her soul travel outside her body sometimes, communicates with other similar beings telepathically and sees angels time to time. Go figure...
I admit I do believe there is something strange about her - she is 56 and looks about 35 - gorgeous 35 at that - but this episode really shakes her story.
 
It does seem ( respected mystic culture ) (position in royalty) is the most reincarnated type of spirit.



Nobody is the reincarnated Somalian goat herder or the guy that shoveled horse manure off London streets in 1823.

Madame Woo is expert at playing vanity into a bit of easy money.
 
8enotto said:
It does seem ( respected mystic culture ) (position in royalty) is the most reincarnated type of spirit.



Nobody is the reincarnated Somalian goat herder or the guy that shoveled horse manure off London streets in 1823.

Madame Woo is expert at playing vanity into a bit of easy money.
Click to expand...

Oh, I didn't mention... It was her first incarnation, about 4,000 years ago. Since then she was many other persons, including a farmer. Obviously, as a materialist with a fairly extensive technical education I am taking her story with the usual grain of salt ;-). On the other hand, I know for sure she is not a conscious fraud - she really believes what she is saying.
 
Last edited:
steenkh said:
Why do you believe yourself? It is very common that hallucinations seem real to the person who experiences them. Do you accept that not all hallucinations are real? How do you ensure that your experiences with spirits are not hallucinations, no matter how real you feel they are?

I put it to you that you regard these experiences as real because they first into your world view.
Click to expand...

Logic prevails even in chaos.
I have often explained that the voice in my head predicted I would win the lottery on the only occasion I did win. The odds against a five number win were 55.000 to one against. So how unlikely is it that I would be told I was going to win on the only occasion I did win since the lottery began. The odds against that must be astronomical.

Is it not just as plausible that a spirit that could see into the future helped me pick the winning numbers. Unlikely maybe, but I accept the possibility.
 
Scorpion said:
The odds against a five number win were 55.000 to one against. So how unlikely is it that I would be told I was going to win on the only occasion I did win since the lottery began. The odds against that must be astronomical.
Click to expand...
How many times do you need to have basic probability theory explained to you?

Is it not just as plausible that a spirit that could see into the future helped me pick the winning numbers.
Click to expand...
Is it just as plausible that everything we have discovered about how the world works in the last couple of centuries is wrong as that the sort of coincidence that happens to virtually everyone several times in an average lifetime happened to you once? No, it really isn't.
 
Scorpion said:
Logic prevails even in chaos.
I have often explained that the voice in my head predicted I would win the lottery on the only occasion I did win. ..............
Click to expand...

I think you'd better say "I remember the voice in my head predicted I would win the lottery on the only occasion I did win."
The trick is, you probably hear these voices every time you buy the lottery - and that's probably why you buy it at the fist place. But if you don't win, you dismiss these voices as insignificant, in other words, you forget about them. If you do win - bingo! The voices were right!
My ex won a lottery once after asking for help her dead parents :-). It didn't take me long to make her admit, she was doing it every time she was buying a ticket...
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom