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Belz... said:
There are always a way to word something in order to preemptively support an idea. Here you reword "broken the law" as "set themselves against society" in order to create a contradiction with "voting", reworded as "have a say in the ordering of society".
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I have to express my support for ideas somehow.

Are you objecting to the way I've expressed that support here?
 
carlitos said:
After learning of his religiosity and him now having a fund-raiser with Gweneth Paltrow, my brief flirtation with Mayor Pete is over.
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Nobody's perfect. Barack Obama flirted with Saul Alinsky and Jeremiah Wright. Bill Clinton flirted with Monica Lewinsky and Juanita Broaddrick. Speaking of Reverend Wright, both of those guys also had the "religiosity".

Pete Buttigieg has a lot going for him. A show of religiosity is just the kind of thing to help him win votes in the general election. Not everyone in the country is a raging atheist progressive, after all. Some of those swing voters are bound to be churchgoing folk relieved that this candidate, at least, isn't going to dismiss them.

And so what if he manages to siphon some campaign dollars from the Gwyneth Paltrow set?
 
theprestige said:
I'm having trouble parsing this. Obviously you don't mean that having Biden or Sanders win the primary will make strongest candidates rise to the top. But wouldn't the strongest candidates rise to the top even without Biden or Sanders in the race?
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I edited my post.

'It' referred to them running, not winning. Sorry for the unclear pronoun.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody's perfect. Barack Obama flirted with Saul Alinsky and Jeremiah Wright. Bill Clinton flirted with Monica Lewinsky and Juanita Broaddrick. Speaking of Reverend Wright, both of those guys also had the "religiosity".

Pete Buttigieg has a lot going for him. A show of religiosity is just the kind of thing to help him win votes in the general election. Not everyone in the country is a raging atheist progressive, after all. Some of those swing voters are bound to be churchgoing folk relieved that this candidate, at least, isn't going to dismiss them.

And so what if he manages to siphon some campaign dollars from the Gwyneth Paltrow set?
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Obama flirted with Saul Alinsky? Surely ye jest. And the idea that he flirted with Jeremiah Wright is also moronically stupid. Where do the right wing nutjobs come up with this crap? Alinsky died in 1972 and Jeremiah Wright was the pastor of a church that Obama attended.
 
I also voted for Michael Badnarik. 2004, right? What's the difference, elsewhere on the ballot all you had were John Kerry and George Bush.
 
theprestige said:
I have to express my support for ideas somehow.

Are you objecting to the way I've expressed that support here?
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I'm objecting to you wording it in a way that defines it as you being right from the get-go. Committing a crime isn't being against society, though you could perhaps say that the actions run counter to said society.
 
acbytesla said:
Obama flirted with Saul Alinsky? Surely ye jest.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/study-saul-alinsky-to-understand-barack-obama

And the idea that he flirted with Jeremiah Wright is also moronically stupid. Where do the right wing nutjobs come up with this crap? Alinsky died in 1972 and Jeremiah Wright was the pastor of a church that Obama attended.
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I would say that choosing Wright as your pastor is a much more serious degree of flirtation than choosing Gwyneth Paltrow as one of your fundraisers. Raising funds for a political campaign is a question of political expediency. Flirting with the weirdos in your faction is part of the job.

Choosing your church and your pastor goes straight to what you believe, what values you hold, and who you look to for moral guidance. That's a much more serious and sincere relationship than the relationship between a candidate and a fundraiser. All kinds of candidates have problematic fundraisers. Very few candidates seem to have problematic pastors.
 
theprestige said:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/study-saul-alinsky-to-understand-barack-obama

I would say that choosing Wright as your pastor is a much more serious degree of flirtation than choosing Gwyneth Paltrow as one of your fundraisers. Raising funds for a political campaign is a question of political expediency. Flirting with the weirdos in your faction is part of the job.

Choosing your church and your pastor goes straight to what you believe, what values you hold, and who you look to for moral guidance. That's a much more serious and sincere relationship than the relationship between a candidate and a fundraiser. All kinds of candidates have problematic fundraisers. Very few candidates seem to have problematic pastors.
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I'd say nonsense. You're making assumptions based on yourself or simply the narrative you want to tell. And I'd say it is obviously the latter. Painting someone guilty through association is a well worn tactic.
 
acbytesla said:
I'd say nonsense. You're making assumptions based on yourself or simply the narrative you want to tell. And I'd say it is obviously the latter. Painting someone guilty through association is a well worn tactic.
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Guilty of what? Being religious? Obama associated himself with a church. It's hardly a "guilt by association" issue to infer that he's got some religiosity.

Anyway, if guilt by association is your problem, tell it to carlitos. He's the one disqualifying Buttigieg because of the candidate's associations. You're jumping into the middle of the discussion and attacking the guy who responded to the idea. You may want to take a step back, and consider the guy who came up with the idea that started the discussion.

Alternatively, why did your hackles get up about Obama's religiosity, but not about Buttigieg's religiosity?
 
theprestige said:
Very few candidates seem to have problematic pastors.
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Donald Trump and his dad attended the church of Robert Vincent Peale, listening to the teachings that enabled and empowered various pyramid schemes in the 80's. Part of that prosperity gospel nonsense. He's also appeared with grifters like Paula White.
 
carlitos said:
Donald Trump and his dad attended the church of Robert Vincent Peale, listening to the teachings that enabled and empowered various pyramid schemes in the 80's. Part of that prosperity gospel nonsense. He's also appeared with grifters like Paula White.
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I think you'll find that Pete Buttigieg compares very favorably to Donald Trump, religiosity and all.
 
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