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The Trump Presidency 14

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Ziggurat said:
He's got two conservative SC judges appointed, quite possibly a third this term. He's got a ton of appellate court judges appointed. He scrapped the horrible Iran deal. He's increased energy production, and cut regulations. And as you said, the economy is doing well. There's a lot more for conservatives to like than just the tax cut.

As for the lack of more legislative accomplishments, who should Republican voters blame for that, Trump or Congressional Republicans? It makes more sense to blame the latter, but those are the very people you think should be saying Trump was the mistake.
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If you praise Trump for getting SC judges appointed, you have to blame him for not getting his party to pass necessary laws: both require congressional approval.
 
Bob001 said:
There are plenty of responsible people who think that the Iran deal was good for the U.S. and the world, and scrapping it makes it easier for Iran to build nuclear weapons.
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And plenty of people who don't. Guess which way Republican voters break on the issue?

Energy production is a result of market forces;
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It's also a result of federal rules about the use of federal lands.

What specific regulations do you claim were/are so onerous?
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It's generally not any one regulation which is so onerous, but the vast number of them combined.

The economy has been doing consistently well since Obama saved the world from catastrophe in 2009; Trump doesn't have a magic wand there either
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Trump doesn't have a magic wand... but Obama does? :confused:

And the reasons why the economy are good don't really matter here. It's good. Whoever is president always benefits from that. Regardless of what might have been with a different candidate, that's how things are with this candidate. Why would Republican voters regret their choice?
 
acbytesla said:
Really? That's not what I've read. Pretty much all of them have been taken from the Federalist List and Pence has been running that.
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Indeed, it's been noted that the nominating-train is one of the few aspects of Trump's presidency that has been going smoothly, precisely because Trump has largely kept his hands off and out of it.
 
Ziggurat said:
Every president is a potential catastrophe. It's inherent in any position with that much power.
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The point, which you evidently insist on missing, is that the probability of potential catastrophe is not uniformly the same for all presidents.
 
Bob001 said:
...The economy has been doing consistently well since Obama saved the world from catastrophe in 2009; Trump doesn't have a magic wand there either, although his bizarre tariff antics could cause tremendous damage...
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Been there, done that. Previously, at least three times, charts have been posted as attachments that demonstrate clearly, whether it's economic growth or unemployment, the trends have continued under Trump at the same rate they'd been growing/improving for several years. The appearance of the charts usually silences the claims of Trump's great economic performance until a few months go by, and then we have the same discussion all over again.

Is it noteworthy that Trump has exaggerated/lied about his numbers? His defenders won't discuss that. I agree with posters, here and on other forums, who have concluded that people who have a surprisingly positive reaction to Donald Trump do so because of personal reasons that they will not divulge. Discussing Trump with his hardcore supporters becomes pointless. In my opinion, the worst are the ones who claim, "Oh I detest Donald Trump," but won't say exactly why but will then cite chapter and verse as to Bill/Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's shortcomings.
 
Ziggurat said:
Most positions aren't relevant in a crisis.
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Given a catastrophe, obviously we're worried about the positions that ARE relevant, so I fail to understand your "point". Are you just playing dumb to be contrary?
 
Cabbage said:
The point, which you evidently insist on missing, is that the probability of potential catastrophe is not uniformly the same for all presidents.
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Do you have anything other than your opinion to show that it's higher for Trump?

Cabbage said:
Given a catastrophe, obviously we're worried about the positions that ARE relevant, so I fail to understand your "point". Are you just playing dumb to be contrary?
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So which positions are relevant, and what fraction of those have been unfilled?
 
Ziggurat said:
Trump doesn't have a magic wand... but Obama does? :confused:
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I don't see anywhere a statement that Obama has a magic wand. He had policies that pulled us out of the recession. Trump, being a lazy son of a bitch, wishes he had a magic wand to solve everything and is not really qualified on any other level

And the reasons why the economy are good don't really matter here. It's good. Whoever is president always benefits from that. Regardless of what might have been with a different candidate, that's how things are with this candidate. Why would Republican voters regret their choice?
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Really? What benefit did Trump receive from the economy regarding the 2018 election?
 
Ziggurat said:
Do you have anything other than your opinion to show that it's higher for Trump?
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Sure. The testimony of his own administration.

So which positions are relevant, and what fraction of those have been unfilled?
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You should be able to figure it out on your own, but since you evidently can't: It depends on the catastrophe.

I bet that just blew your mind, didn't it?

For a specific example from the past, how about GWB's FEMA response to Katrina.

Again, are you playing dumb just to be contrary? It honestly seems that way. I truly believe if you applied yourself at all you could have up with the same answers you had to ask me for.
 
Cabbage said:
For a specific example from the past, how about GWB's FEMA response to Katrina.
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So when you look for a failed response to a hurricane, instead of pointing to Trump, you point to GWB. And that's supposed to demonstrate that Trump is uniquely unprepared for catastrophes?

Do you not understand what you just did there?

Again, are you playing dumb just to be contrary?
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You're asking if *I* am playing dumb, after you just scored a goal against yourself?

Oh, of course: you aren't playing.
 
Cabbage said:
I don't see anywhere a statement that Obama has a magic wand.
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He "saved the world" without one? He truly is the light bringer.

Really? What benefit did Trump receive from the economy regarding the 2018 election?
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Trump wasn't running for election in 2018. Didn't you know that?
 
Ziggurat said:
So when you look for a failed response to a hurricane, instead of pointing to Trump, you point to GWB. And that's supposed to demonstrate that Trump is uniquely unprepared for catastrophes?

Do you not understand what you just did there?
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No, you're the one failing to understand: You asked which positions are relevant for a catastrophe and I said it depends. Then I mentioned Katrina, which is merely and example of how FEMA would be the position in question for this specific catastrophe. This specific example of "Which Positions for Which Catastrophe" merely happened to occur under GWB's watch and was never intended as a comment on Trump's competency, since that wasn't addressed in the question you asked.



You're asking if *I* am playing dumb, after you just scored a goal against yourself?

Oh, of course: you aren't playing.
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No, unlike you I was paying attention to the question I was answering: Which positions are relevant in a catastrophe? That specific question was not addressing Trump's competency in any way, and my response neither included nor implied anything about Trump's competency, which was your misunderstanding.
 
Ziggurat said:
He "saved the world" without one? He truly is the light bringer.
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Can you quote my post and please hilite where I specifically said he "saved the world"? I don't recall using that language; why the quotes?

Trump wasn't running for election in 2018. Didn't you know that?
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Mid term elections are generally thought to be a referendum on the current president. Is this news to you? Again, I refer to the question I asked: What benefit did Trump receive from the 2018 election? I do not consider your party losing the house as a benefit. Nowhere did I imply Trump ran in 2018, but he certainly can receive advantages and/or benefits from the midterm election.

Didn't you know that?
 
Cabbage said:
Can you quote my post and please hilite where I specifically said he "saved the world"? I don't recall using that language; why the quotes?
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It wasn't you, it was Bob001, but you jumped into that conversation, so what he said is still relevant.

Bob001 said:
The economy has been doing consistently well since Obama saved the world from catastrophe in 2009
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