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The Trump Presidency 14

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Venom said:
Well the Republicans swept both houses and a total of over 1000 seats across the country in 2010 midterms, relying largely on the short attention span and ignorance of the electorate.
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Talking about the short attention span and ignorance of the electorate do you remember that a Republican member of one of those houses said this about Trump ………."I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office," said Graham.

Why did people elect a crazy man to be POTUS? In the Mueller report it is confirmed that people around Trump claimed he acted or said things that were crazy.
 
Ladewig said:
I disagree. The fact that President Nixon tried to hide his actions and limit the number of people who knew shows that he had more integrity than President Trump.

Also, the fact that Nixon believed that a president should be familiar with the Constitution also indicates a greater level of integrity.
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I stand corrected!:D
 
dejudge said:
Republicans need help from Russia to win the presidency.
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There's the counterpoint to Trump's "Fake News" in the run-up to 2020 : "Russian Interference". With Assange out of the picture, the Russkies will need a new conduit to FoxNews and anybody can be fingered as being it.
 
Ladewig said:
I disagree. The fact that President Nixon tried to hide his actions and limit the number of people who knew shows that he had more integrity than President Trump.

Also, the fact that Nixon believed that a president should be familiar with the Constitution also indicates a greater level of integrity.
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Nixon was a far more complex person than Donald Trump. Trump is like a two-dimensional character in a movie with a plot that calls for a totally self-obsessed and self-serving person, and he's ruining the movie by over-acting.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Nixon was a far more complex person than Donald Trump. Trump is like a two-dimensional character in a movie with a plot that calls for a totally self-obsessed and self-serving person, and he's ruining the movie by over-acting.
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Oh, yeah.
That explains why I am having such a hard time suspending my disbelief. I’ve got a lot of disbelief.

JRR Tolkien said an important step was creating “a logically consistent fictional world.” That’s the problem: President Trump is having a hard time creating a logically consistent anything.
 
dejudge said:
Why did people elect a crazy man to be POTUS? In the Mueller report it is confirmed that people around Trump claimed he acted or said things that were crazy.
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Very simple. They didn't elect Trump, they elected a Republican. He could have been Hitler and it wouldn't have mattered to them, so long as he had an 'R' next to his name.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Very simple. They didn't elect Trump, they elected a Republican. He could have been Hitler and it wouldn't have mattered to them, so long as he had an 'R' next to his name.
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But that doesn’t explain why people who voted for President Obama voted for President Trump.

The single largest factor in any presidential election is who the opponent is. The hatred of Senator Clinton runs very deep.
 
Apologies if this has been covered already, but I laughed when I read the president’s description in the Time 100 list of the world’s most influential people.

Chris Christie described President Trump by saying:
Every modern U.S. President tries to influence the world. President Donald Trump has done this through opposing the NATO countries not paying their fair share, pushing China and our North American neighbors for fairer trade agreements and withdrawing from the Iran nuclear agreement. His boldest move in this direction is likely his personal efforts on the issue of North Korea. President Trump has, in fact, used the past year to place his imprint on a problem spanning more than six decades. [more]​

He doesn’t say the president has influenced the world in a positive way, he just says influenced.

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And he doesn’t even say the president created more fair trade agrreeements, Christie just says pushing for fair trade. And he didn’t change any scheduled NATO payments, he merely opposed countries not paying their fair share.
 
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Ladewig said:
But that doesn’t explain why people who voted for President Obama voted for President Trump.

The single largest factor in any presidential election is who the opponent is. The hatred of Senator Clinton runs very deep.
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no.

After 2 terms, the White House almost always changes parties. And it usually does so with a clear majority.
Even with Russian support, years of lies and character assassination against Clinton (including FBI directors breaking protocol to intervene in an ongoing election), and a dedicated propaganda channel (Fox), Trump still lost the popular vote.
Clinton had a massive disadvantage, most of all because Trump seemed too weak to any sane person to be taken seriously.
 
dasmiller said:
It is not about the impeachment so much as it is about getting away from business-as-usual for a bit. If a lot of the key Republicans were to admit that nominating Trump was a mistake (the Democrats are already onboard with that)
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Trump was nominated by Republican voters, not "key Republicans". It doesn't generally work for people to admit mistakes on behalf of others, especially if those others don't think it was a mistake.

FWIW, I think Trump's presidency is more a symptom than a cause.
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I agree with that, but possibly not for the same reasons.
 
Cabbage said:
Do you propose not impeaching a corrupt president in order to maximize the catastrophe so that people will learn better?
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I propose that the proper purpose of impeachment isn't to teach anyone anything.
 
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