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Mueller Investigation pt5

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Do you believe this? The New York Times Op-Ed: MEDIA AND DEMOCRATS OWE TRUMP AN APOLOGY. Well, they got that one right!

The Trump Haters and Angry Democrats who wrote the Mueller Report were devastated by the No Collusion finding! Nothing but a total “hit job” which should never have been allowed to start in the first place!

Despite No Collusion, No Obstruction, The Radical Left Democrats do not want to go on to Legislate for the good of the people, but only to Investigate and waste time. This is costing our Country greatly, and will cost the Dems big time in 2020!
 
smartcooky said:
Why would a return US Government back to what the founders intended - three CO-EQUAL branches, be limiting?

The Executive branch has become far too powerful in recent years - it needs reining in. At the very least, the President's power of veto needs to be removed, and his power to pardon must no longer be absolute.
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Neither the power balance between the branches of government or the raw power levels of the government matter if massive numbers of people in those positions form clubs that prevent them from being used.

We can codify "Congress shall have the power to do X to limit the President, the President shall how power X to limit Congress, SCOTUS has power X to limit..." in any flowchart order we want, it doesn't matter if Congress/President/SCOTUS doesn't do it because the President and the Congressional Majority or the SCOTUS Majority and Congress or any other combination therefore both belong to the same treehouse club so they just... won't limit each others power.

It's like trying to make sports fairer by adjusting the number of refs but ignoring that all the refs are wearing one teams colors.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
No.
Pardons are already a violation of the Separation Of Power between the Executive and the Judiciary.
Leaving them up to two instead of one branch of government would be entirely in line with the principles of Separation of power.
Main problem is that it would make most 24 plots untenable.
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Pardons are a very old power vested in the monarchy. That is executive.
 
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Can you believe that I had to go through the worst and most corrupt political Witch Hunt in the history of the United States (No Collusion) when it was the “other side” that illegally created the diversionary & criminal event and even spied on my campaign? Disgraceful!
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
She also said that it was a "slip of the tongue", when it clearly was not.
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Perhaps it wasn't a slip of the tongue, but it would be a very aggressive prosecutor who would try to argue that was lying under oath. "Slip of the tongue" is a very vague phrase.
 
It's still a matter of some legal debate.

The idea of accepting a pardon means an admission of guilt is still debated by many law historians. According to Associate Justice Joseph McKenna, writing the majority opinion in the U.S. Supreme Court case Burdick v. United States, a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it." Associate Justice McKenna was referring to cases in the denial of a pardon. His comment was not intended for all pardons. Also, the federal courts have yet to make it clear how this logic applies to persons who are deceased (such as Henry Ossian Flipper, who was pardoned by Bill Clinton), those who are relieved from penalties as a result of general amnesties, and those whose punishments are relieved via a commutation of sentence (which cannot be rejected in any sense of the language). Brian Kalt, a law professor at Michigan State University, claims that presidents usually grant a pardon to someone on the basis that the person is innocent. If a president thinks an individual is innocent and issues a pardon, then accepting a pardon would not mean the individual is guilty.
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Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States#Limitations
 
dejudge said:
So as far as you know in the US one can be pardoned for not committing a crime?
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That's not what he said. He said you don't have to admit guilt.

And in fact, the basis of some pardons is specifically a lack of guilt: the pardon may be granted to correct a wrongful conviction.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not what he said. He said you don't have to admit guilt.

And in fact, the basis of some pardons is specifically a lack of guilt: the pardon may be granted to correct a wrongful conviction.
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You confuse exoneration and pardon. A pardon does not exonerate a person convicted of a crime.
 
dejudge said:
You confuse exoneration and pardon. A pardon does not exonerate a person convicted of a crime.
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I haven't confused anything. The president has no power of exoneration, even in cases of wrongful conviction.
 
dejudge said:
So as far as you know in the US one can be pardoned for not committing a crime?
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One can be pre-emptively pardoned without charges being filed. Such pre-emptive pardons can be quite broad and do not require anyone admitting to committing a crime.
 
dejudge said:
You confuse exoneration and pardon. A pardon does not exonerate a person convicted of a crime.
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I don't believe that a president can exonerate a convict. He can pardon a convict because he believes the conviction was in error. See JoeMorgue's post.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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Do you believe this? The New York Times Op-Ed: MEDIA AND DEMOCRATS OWE TRUMP AN APOLOGY. Well, they got that one right!
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And Trump hasn't actually worked out what an OpEd is...

Its this piece by Christopher Buskirk, editor and publisher of the journal American Greatness a very right wing publication

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/barr-media-trump.html

He's an idiot; a Trump supporter who favours the building of the Trump Vanity Monument on the Mexican border, and a critic of John McCain.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
trump tweets

Can you believe that I had to go through the worst and most corrupt political Witch Hunt in the history of the United States (No Collusion) when it was the “other side” that illegally created the diversionary & criminal event and even spied on my campaign? Disgraceful!
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What we now have to endure is at least 1.5 years of gloating from Drumpf. At least one and a half years of watching the self-satisfied smirk on the face of an orange turd with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old bully. :yikes:
 
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