Mueller Investigation pt5

[MrFliop]

Let's be honest about one thing.

None of the news pundits(on either the left or right) who are gonna be talking non stop about this for the next couple of days are gonna read any part of the actual report.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Surely, Barr knows that one can be guilty of obstruction of justice even if there was no prosecutable crime found. If Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation just because he feared what they might find, that's still obstruction, even if he didn't know specifically of anything they might find.

 

[kellyb]

Looks to me like Mueller thinks he's guilty of obstruction.

 

[MrFliop]

Let's be honest about one thing.

None of the news pundits(on either the left or right) who are gonna be talking non stop about this for the next couple of days are gonna read any part of the actual report.

 

[GlennB]

Mueller states that had his team concluded that the president had committed no crime, they would have said so. Instead, Mueller writes:

Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.

There’s more trouble for Trump in the next sentence. Mueller alludes to having found “evidence about the president’s actions and intent” that “prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred”. Mueller adds:

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

 

[smartcooky]

Mueller was ultimately unable to subpoena Trump for an interview because he couldn't describe an alleged crime and he couldn't describe what necessary information he could obtain from Trump that he couldn't get by other means.

That is not what it says in the Report.

 

[BobTheCoward]

So what does it say about the trump tower meeting?

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Looks to me like Mueller thinks he's guilty of obstruction.

Yeah, that's the kind of "balls on a silver platter" statement I was expecting. Congress can start firing up the impeachment paperwork.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Let's be honest about one thing.

None of the news pundits(on either the left or right) who are gonna be talking non stop about this for the next couple of days are gonna read any part of the actual report.

Maddow will definitely read every unredacted word.

 

[alfaniner]

Let's be honest about one thing.

None of the news pundits(on either the left or right) who are gonna be talking non stop about this for the next couple of days are gonna read any part of the actual report.

The only person I would guarantee will not actually read the report is Trump himself.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Seems to me, an accurate summary of the Muller report is "no conclusion."

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Seth Abramson (who is staring from the beginning instead of skipping around) has gotten to a part of the conspiracy section where Mueller lists all the ways his office was obstructed in its investigation.

[ETA] including outright destruction of evidence.

 

[Worm]

So what does it say about the trump tower meeting?

In brief : not enough evidence.

 

[quadraginta]

And yet the report is indeed being buried.

Well, there's definitely lots of redactions.

But this is only the first step in this part of the dance.

It ain't buried, and the parts which are obscured are likely to be exposed.

 

[kellyb]

So what does it say about the trump tower meeting?

It's a non-starter:

 

[kellyb]

Seems to me, an accurate summary of the Muller report is "no conclusion."

Pretty much.

 

[BobTheCoward]

It's a non-starter:

That wasn't my question. I'm not asking if it was criminal. Im wondering what happened at the meeting.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Pretty much.

I disagree. An accurate summary wouldn't lack nuance. If trump were honest, his statements would have reflected their interest in Russian assistance even if it didn't materialize.

 

[kellyb]

That wasn't my question. I'm not asking if it was criminal. Im wondering what happened at the meeting.

What I posted answers that, too.

It's nothing we didn't already know, though.

 

[kellyb]

I disagree. An accurate summary wouldn't lack nuance. If trump were honest, his statements would have reflected their interest in Russian assistance even if it didn't materialize.

There were very interested, it appears.