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Brainster said:
He's either a close second or third in some of the betting markets. OTOH, Yang is in fifth place which strikes me as laughable.

His rise has been quite astonishing, but the sine-wave nature of political coverage guarantees that he will come under quite a bit of scrutiny in the next few months.
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Already is: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-effective-mayor-blind-spot_n_5cb4c9bce4b0ffefe3b4d93b

TragicMonkey said:
I'm not religious but I do like the Nun of the Above.
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I told an American friend three months ago to change his name to "None of the Above" on the basis he'd bolt in for the Democratic nomination.
 
The Atheist said:
Already is: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-effective-mayor-blind-spot_n_5cb4c9bce4b0ffefe3b4d93b
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This is really uncool.
Buttigieg’s blind spot is also evident in his approach to homelessness. South Bend has just one shelter, with around 200 beds, for its homeless population of nearly 400. Though he convened a working group in 2017, Buttigieg’s primary solution to the problem has been arresting people sleeping under bridges and adding ”Do not give to panhandlers″ signs on downtown street corners.

“He boasts about how much he’s done on homelessness, but then he brings out the bulldozers,” Shafer said.
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O dear...


At a campaign rally Saturday in Warren, Michigan, Bernie Sanders maintained his silence on the arrest of Julian Assange. To date, Sanders has not issued a single statement on Assange since the former WikiLeaks editor was dragged from the Ecuadorean embassy by British police on Thursday. The Trump administration is seeking his illegal transfer to the United States, where he faces imprisonment, torture or even execution.


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Sanders’ silent support for the persecution of Assange and his promotion of nationalism arise from his pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist political orientation. These right-wing positions demonstrate that his real aim is not, as he claims, to lead a “political revolution” against the “billionaire class,” but to misdirect, disorient and suppress opposition among workers and young people by channeling it behind the corporate-controlled, pro-war Democratic Party.
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/15/sand-a15.html
 
Graham2001 said:
O dear...
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Srsly?

Much as I couldn't care less about Sanders - mostly because I think he'd lose to Trump - this is a feeble attack on him.

Assange deliberately torpedoed Hillary's campaign, and is potentially responsible for the orange toad's election. Why should Sanders support him?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
How does Sanders' silence mean he is for or against Assange's arrest?
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I think the line of reasoning is that, because he has not made an explicit statement opposing Assange's arrest he must therefore support it.


The whole point of virtue signalling is that you are constantly displaying to the world your 'good intentions' by word and deed. If you are not doing that then you must have 'bad intentions'.


Surprisingly binary thinking once you realize that.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
How does Sanders' silence mean he is for or against Assange's arrest?
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It doesn't, really. My guess as to why Bernie hasn't addressed it is simply that he probably hasn't been asked about it - he's already pointed to Cheeto Benito's attacks on the press as an example of his authoritarianism, so I doubt he approves.
 
A lot of people on Twitter are now saying Warren is #canceled because she was a Republican until 1996 when she changed her registration. I, personally, think this is remarkably stupid but some feel that anyone that supported Republicans is beyond all redemption and need to be punished. Amazingly part of their argument is that the Reagan administration was dumping drugs into black neighborhoods and ignoring AIDS which are both things that were only realized after the fact and still the subject of much debate.


I think it is dumb to refuse to support someone for those reasons but maybe I'm the odd one out.
 
Travis said:
A lot of people on Twitter are now saying Warren is #canceled because she was a Republican until 1996 when she changed her registration. I, personally, think this is remarkably stupid but some feel that anyone that supported Republicans is beyond all redemption and need to be punished. Amazingly part of their argument is that the Reagan administration was dumping drugs into black neighborhoods and ignoring AIDS which are both things that were only realized after the fact and still the subject of much debate.


I think it is dumb to refuse to support someone for those reasons but maybe I'm the odd one out.
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I think you are pretty good at tracking down fringe beliefs, but not so good at recognizing their fringe-iness.
 
Travis said:
A lot of people on Twitter are now saying Warren is #canceled because she was a Republican until 1996 when she changed her registration. I, personally, think this is remarkably stupid but some feel that anyone that supported Republicans is beyond all redemption and need to be punished. Amazingly part of their argument is that the Reagan administration was dumping drugs into black neighborhoods and ignoring AIDS which are both things that were only realized after the fact and still the subject of much debate.


I think it is dumb to refuse to support someone for those reasons but maybe I'm the odd one out.
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Define "a lot".
 
Travis said:
A lot of people on Twitter are now saying Warren is #canceled because she was a Republican until 1996 when she changed her registration. I, personally, think this is remarkably stupid but some feel that anyone that supported Republicans is beyond all redemption and need to be punished. Amazingly part of their argument is that the Reagan administration was dumping drugs into black neighborhoods and ignoring AIDS which are both things that were only realized after the fact and still the subject of much debate.


I think it is dumb to refuse to support someone for those reasons but maybe I'm the odd one out.
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varwoche said:
Define "a lot".
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I don't know a single person who has a problem. It's like saying someone can't change their mind. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Warren. There is a lot I like about her. She is incredibly smart and understands Economics probably better than every other Democratic candidate.
 
Travis said:
A lot of people on Twitter are now saying Warren is #canceled because she was a Republican until 1996 when she changed her registration. I, personally, think this is remarkably stupid but some feel that anyone that supported Republicans is beyond all redemption and need to be punished. Amazingly part of their argument is that the Reagan administration was dumping drugs into black neighborhoods and ignoring AIDS which are both things that were only realized after the fact and still the subject of much debate.


I think it is dumb to refuse to support someone for those reasons but maybe I'm the odd one out.
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A lot of people are saying...
 
Perhaps Bernie will transfer socialism to another candidate to turn the election. Fascinating as atom-smashing is, is this the best thread for it?
 
Travis said:
A lot of people on Twitter are now saying Warren is #canceled because she was a Republican until 1996 when she changed her registration. I, personally, think this is remarkably stupid but some feel that anyone that supported Republicans is beyond all redemption and need to be punished. Amazingly part of their argument is that the Reagan administration was dumping drugs into black neighborhoods and ignoring AIDS which are both things that were only realized after the fact and still the subject of much debate.


I think it is dumb to refuse to support someone for those reasons but maybe I'm the odd one out.
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First, nobody gets cancelled at her level. Even Bill Cosby and R. Kelly have a legion of defenders.

Second - let's be honest, the dems weren't exactly rushing to the aid of LGBT people or black neighborhoods in those days, either. Plenty of dems were (and are) still upset by, say, having too many black people in their neighborhood or their kids' schools. And we still see quite a few democrats willing to join in on bashing AOC and Ilhan Omar, following the lead of the raging white supremacists that head the modern GOP. But for the most part, they were just "not as bad as the republicans" back in the 80s, and that was about the best you could say.

Third, we're supposed to be mad over her party affiliation almost 25 years ago? I honestly don't care, given her record since she first rose to national prominence in...what, 08-09?

I suspect you're looking at the lunatic fringe again, to be honest. Her larger problem is that, despite having the most detailed plans (and some of the wisest - I'm all for breaking up Amazon in particular, as well as quite possibly Google. Not too sure about Apple at this point, between Android phones and steaming music/movies they aren't as powerful as they were 10 years ago), she's simply not getting media coverage compared to Beto or that Mayor Pete guy.
 
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