Notre-Dame de Paris - cathedral on fire!

[Andy_Ross]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. There was one very probable cause, in that the fire broke out in an area where, a few hours previously, maintenance involving high-temperature equipment had take place. The lighting strike was much less probable, but that couldn't actually be proved, either. Certainly nobody witnessed a strike on the area affected (or, IIRC, the Minister as a whole).

Ultimately there were liability issues that meant that even if the more probable cause had been pursued and accepted, what could have been recovered would have been a drop in the ocean compared to the full cost of the rebuild. The idea that it was "lightning" had also gained such common currency by that time, that to suddenly admit it was negligence would have been hugely embarrassing for the church authorities, and might have affected the flow of donations to the rebuilding fund.

So the official cause was a lightning strike.
Why bother with a report at all if we can just ignore it and substitute our own outcome?

Maybe it was a mini nuke at the WTC?

 

[Andy_Ross]

For a place that has been burned down and rebuilt many times look at Selby Abbey

A lot of the stonework dates back to the 11th century but it has been burned a number of times, the last time in 1906.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_Abbey

 

[cullennz]

A good question. Is the HMS Victory the original, considering that all of its parts were replaced at one time or another? Am I the Belz... who was born in the 70s, since all my cells were replaced since?



Nobody said anything of the sort. Why do you lie? You don't usually do that, so what gives? Read my post above.

Technically a persons entire body regenerates every 7 years roughly, so is anyone over 7 really them?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Am I the Belz... who was born in the 70s, since all my cells were replaced since?

Or, indeed, the Belz... who first registered on the forum, since your username has twice been replaced?

Dave

 

[Belz...]

Or, indeed, the Belz... who first registered on the forum, since your username has twice been replaced?

Dave

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Information Analyst]

So the official cause was a lightning strike.
Why bother with a report at all if we can just ignore it and substitute our own outcome?

Because it would have been embarrassing and might have affected donations from the public, and forcing litigation on the insurance issue would not have been worthwhile. The "lightning" explanation had already gained much traction in the media, and much comment about it being the "divine intervention" on account of the controversial ordination of David Jenkins as Bishop of Durham a day or two beforehand. If the church authorities had gone public with the more likely but far more mundane explanation months later, they would have been a laughing stock.

Maybe it was a mini nuke at the WTC?

Whatever. I don't have any axe to grind on this. It was simply a detail relayed to me by a close blood relative who worked for the independent investigators at the time it actually happened. They had absolutely no reason to lie, plus they're not even remotely a conspiracy-orientated person, quite the opposite in fact.

 

[Travis]

The conspiranoids are already fired up on Twitter. I've seen claims that it was orchestrated by Ilhan Omar to draw attention away from her recent news coverage. Others say it was in retaliation for the election results in Israel. Others say ISIS being ISIS. Definitely Muslims though, some want to know where Obama was at the time the fire broke out.

 

[Belz...]

The conspiranoids are already fired up on Twitter. I've seen claims that it was orchestrated by Ilhan Omar to draw attention away from her recent news coverage.

That's so stupid, I'm willing to assume that person actually believes that!

 

[Myriad]

I was a bit surprised to read that the roof framework of Notre Dame was one of the older extant parts of the structure, with most of it dating back to about 1220 and some individual beams from the 1140s.

It's not going to be cost effective to find and harvest available oak trees of sufficient size (300 years old or more) for an exact replica replacement. So it's likely the replacement roof will be a new design.

 

[quadraginta]

The conspiranoids are already fired up on Twitter. I've seen claims that it was orchestrated by Ilhan Omar to draw attention away from her recent news coverage.

<snip>

Why would she want to do that?

 

[Belz...]

Why would she want to do that?

Presumably because she's an eeeeevil Muslim, and in the CT world, people in 'power' are willing and able to do anything to distract from their shenanigans.

 

[quadraginta]

Presumably because she's an eeeeevil Muslim, and in the CT world, people in 'power' are willing and able to do anything to distract from their shenanigans.

That might be true, but I expect she's quite happy with the face time she's getting to address her issues of choice.

The death threats, mebbe not so much, but that all goes to the discriminatory behavior against Muslims that she is trying to work to stop.

There's no reason she would want to distract from that.

CTers can be so lazy sometimes. They don't even bother coming up with plausible plots.

Very disappointing.

 

[Belz...]

That might be true, but I expect she's quite happy with the face time she's getting to address her issues of choice.

The death threats, mebbe not so much, but that all goes to the discriminatory behavior against Muslims that she is trying to work to stop.

There's no reason she would want to distract from that.

Well no one ever claimed that CTers made any sense.

 

[quadraginta]

Well no one ever claimed that CTers made any sense.

That's true. It's just that they don't even seem like they're trying any more.

Trumpism has even lowered the standards of the CTers.

Sad.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That's true. It's just that they don't even seem like they're trying any more.

Trumpism has even lowered the standards of the CTers.

Sad.

Q Anon is for CTs what credit card debt is for personal finance: you get what you want now and don't care if you can back it up later.

 

[alfaniner]

My guess is that the fire started from one of the worker's cigarettes that s/he failed to stub out correctly. I heard the French smoke a lot.

One of the (British, I think) field reporters for CNN reported that there was some concern that many of the religious relics, including the "Thorn of Crowns", were preserved.

Have we been presented with a "Satan's face in the fire!" picture yet?

 

[Oystein]

According to the Guardian, reporting about an hour ago, the French Culture minister said that the three famous "rose" windows appear to be largely intact. There was video of the inside, showing that there is surprisingly little damage, little fire there. Three holes, apparently, in the vaults, most notably one where the spire crashed - but it seems the burning spire did not ignite too much else. Did fire fighters actively prevent that? That would have been a very heroic response!

 

[Belz...]

Have we been presented with a "Satan's face in the fire!" picture yet?

Satan's really an idiot, putting his face in all sorts of catastrophies. Mind you, God's not much better, putting his on toast.

 

[Darat]

That might be true, but I expect she's quite happy with the face time she's getting to address her issues of choice.



The death threats, mebbe not so much, but that all goes to the discriminatory behavior against Muslims that she is trying to work to stop.



There's no reason she would want to distract from that.



CTers can be so lazy sometimes. They don't even bother coming up with plausible plots.



Very disappointing.

Only goes to show how stupid she must be if she thinks her burning down Notre Dame will help against discrimination against Muslims!

 

[William Parcher]

Do they end up with water damage from the firefighting? That's a lot of water going into the building.