Mueller Investigation pt5

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newyorkguy said:
CNN reported on comments Trump made when he first "asked" the Russians to find Clinton's missing emails.


That doesn't seem like joking. At other times, a link was posted here previously, he admitted to an interviewer he wasn't joking.
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I don't understand why the news media still jumps through hoops trying to explain Trump's comments. There is no reason they shouldn't just report he's lying.

They say it in articles like how many lies Trump has told now. I'd like to see them get a bit more honest and come out and say it.

Headline: Trump Lies About Wikileaks
 
The big news organizations are made up of journalists and business people. I've never been a journalist but I have been in private business. This is what I think my opinion would be if I worked for a big news organization and we had a staff conference about coverage of president Trump.

I'm not suggesting you fail to report news -- if Trump says he didn't know anything about WikiLeaks, by all means report it -- but lets be a little careful how we characterize it. This guy has made it plain he is out to get us. He says we publish and broadcast fake news for political purposes. That we are the enemy of the American public, that we're failing financially and we deserve to fail. This guy's the president, there's all kinds of ways Trump can retaliate against us. In ways that will not be obvious to the public. In ways that may not even be obvious to us until we're a lot further down the road. I'm not suggesting we give the president a free pass, just that we avoid needlessly making the situation even worse than it is, and it's already terrible.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't understand why the news media still jumps through hoops trying to explain Trump's comments. There is no reason they shouldn't just report he's lying.
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It's times like this where I think I should grow a beard, so that I can stroke it and allow myself a small, evil smile.

Or . . . maybe we take him at his word.

They say it in articles like how many lies Trump has told now. I'd like to see them get a bit more honest and come out and say it.

Headline: Trump Lies About Wikileaks
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Or:
Headline: Trump Has Now Forgotten Wikileaks

In further evidence of his rapid mental decline, Trump no longer has clear knowledge of Wikileaks, in contrast to his extensive references to it during his 2016 campaign.
Coming in the wake of other recent lapses such as forgetting the names of CEOs while talking to them, forgetting that he'd said Mexico would pay for the wall, forgetting his promise to contribute $1M to charity if Elizabeth Warren took a DNA test, and numerous similar incidents, this latest failure paints a grim picture of the President's deteriorating mental state.
 
newyorkguy said:
The big news organizations are made up of journalists and business people. I've never been a journalist but I have been in private business. This is what I think my opinion would be if I worked for a big news organization and we had a staff conference about coverage of president Trump.
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Show don't tell. Report what he says about WikiLeaks now and then quote him from 2016. No dependent clauses. You don't even need to say "This contradicts an earlier statement ..." That stuff is chaff.

A semi-famous relative of mine once said (slight paraphrase) that an editor's job is to separate the wheat from the chaff, then print the chaff. Actually it was more like:

An editor's job is to separate the wheat from the chaff, then see to it that the chaff gets printed.


I like my paraphrase, pithier, but I can't in good conscience misquote him.
 
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The news coverage of Trump's WikiLeak 'narrative' was characterized by a poster here as jumping through hoops to "explain" Trump's comments about WikiLeaks instead of just reporting "he's lying." I wasn't too familiar with the coverage of Trump's statement -- in the context of his reaction to the arrest of Julian Assange -- but look at the lead paragraph from last Thursday's USA Today below:
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump, who declared "I love WikiLeaks" during the 2016 presidential campaign, refused Thursday to comment on the arrest of the website's founder Julian Assange in London. USA Today link
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Or the Salt lake Tribune:
Washington • President Donald Trump, who repeatedly praised WikiLeaks for releasing damaging material on Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential race, on Thursday sought to disavow his past enthusiasm following the arrest of the organization’s founder, Julian Assange. Salt Lake Tribune link
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USA Today and the Salt Lake Tribune are not exactly East Coast Elites. If the complaint is they don't label Trump a "liar" I think that's unfair. They demonstrate that he is, but stop short of calling him a liar and I think that's just as well.

For me, the real problem is, Trump has done this type of thing over and over, yet these stories are ignored by a fairly sizable number of his supporters. Obviously they don't care. We have a serial liar in the White House and his supporters don't care. They'd rather talk about something that happened thirty years ago.

Sad!
 
varwoche said:
I'll take a wild stab at it... free and fair elections, multi-party democracy, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, respect for international borders. That sort of stuff.
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Not using WMDs to murder people
 
Trump Tweets

The Mueller Report, which was written by 18 Angry Democrats who also happen to be Trump Haters (and Clinton Supporters), should have focused on the people who SPIED on my 2016 Campaign, and others who fabricated the whole Russia Hoax. That is, never forget, the crime.....

....Since there was no Collusion, why was there an Investigation in the first place! Answer - Dirty Cops, Dems and Crooked Hillary!
 
dasmiller said:
It's times like this where I think I should grow a beard, so that I can stroke it and allow myself a small, evil smile.

Or . . . maybe we take him at his word.



Or:
Headline: Trump Has Now Forgotten Wikileaks

In further evidence of his rapid mental decline, Trump no longer has clear knowledge of Wikileaks, in contrast to his extensive references to it during his 2016 campaign.
Coming in the wake of other recent lapses such as forgetting the names of CEOs while talking to them, forgetting that he'd said Mexico would pay for the wall, forgetting his promise to contribute $1M to charity if Elizabeth Warren took a DNA test, and numerous similar incidents, this latest failure paints a grim picture of the President's deteriorating mental state.
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:thumbsup::p
 
newyorkguy said:
The news coverage of Trump's WikiLeak 'narrative' was characterized by a poster here as jumping through hoops to "explain" Trump's comments about WikiLeaks instead of just reporting "he's lying." I wasn't too familiar with the coverage of Trump's statement -- in the context of his reaction to the arrest of Julian Assange -- but look at the lead paragraph from last Thursday's USA Today below:


Or the Salt lake Tribune:


USA Today and the Salt Lake Tribune are not exactly East Coast Elites. If the complaint is they don't label Trump a "liar" I think that's unfair. They demonstrate that he is, but stop short of calling him a liar and I think that's just as well.

For me, the real problem is, Trump has done this type of thing over and over, yet these stories are ignored by a fairly sizable number of his supporters. Obviously they don't care. We have a serial liar in the White House and his supporters don't care. They'd rather talk about something that happened thirty years ago.

Sad!
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Both of those news stories are watered down with careful wording. They wouldn't have to use the word, liar, to be more precise.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Has Trump ever owned up to be "just joking" about these things?

I don't think he has, because he is sincere when he says them. It's his apologists that make up the "he's just joking" lie.
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Trump said he was being sarcastic when asking Russia to find the emails. Of course, he sure didn't say it was a joke when Tur asked if it gave him pause to request such a thing.
 
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