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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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Captain_Swoop said:
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I think what the Democrats are doing with the Border is TREASONOUS. Their Open Border mindset is putting our Country at risk. Will not let this happen!
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Disagreeing with Dear Leader is now Treason.
Nice.
Please note not "Stupid" or "Foolish" or other words normally used in US Politics to describe policies you disagree with, but he accuses his opponents of a very serious crime.
 
dudalb said:
Disagreeing with Dear Leader is now Treason.
Nice.
Please note not "Stupid" or "Foolish" or other words normally used in US Politics to describe policies you disagree with, but he accuses his opponents of a very serious crime.
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Democrats are aiding and abetting an invasion from our enemies, the four Mexicos.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
None of the other POTUSes tried to hide their tax records. How can you possibly argue Trump's refusal to disclose his tax reports is some special privilege?
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Privilege from what? There is no requirement for candidates to disclose. What I am saying is weaponizing tax filings for political points is irresponsible. He is under exactly the same amount of legal requirements to publish his tax returns as I am. Which is to say, none what so ever.

What he was required to provide, a financial disclosure, he did.

I will agree that it's a bit suspect for someone so boastful of his income and wealth to hide it, but that is not enough to have the government compel disclosure for voyeuristic desires.
 
Leftus said:
Privilege from what?
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Congressional oversight of all the areas of corruption Trump is potentially tangled up in.

Leftus said:
There is no requirement for candidates to disclose. What I am saying is weaponizing tax filings for political points is irresponsible. He is under exactly the same amount of legal requirements to publish his tax returns as I am. Which is to say, none what so ever.

What he was required to provide, a financial disclosure, he did.

I will agree that it's a bit suspect for someone so boastful of his income and wealth to hide it, but that is not enough to have the government compel disclosure for voyeuristic desires.
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YOU are only considering the election disclosures. We are well beyond that, Trump is making money off of his position. It's not even hidden. It's Congress' job to check corruption.

As for weaponizing, first you don't know that's going to happen.
Second, it doesn't give Trump a pass on corruption investigation.
Third, the public has a right to know if Trump is illegally making money off his office before the 2020 election (or sooner).
Fourth, if there is a weapon there to be had, why does someone running for such an important job get to hide that from the voting public?

Just what weapons do you expect to be hiding in those returns?
 
Leftus said:
Privilege from what? There is no requirement for candidates to disclose. What I am saying is weaponizing tax filings for political points is irresponsible. He is under exactly the same amount of legal requirements to publish his tax returns as I am. Which is to say, none what so ever.

What he was required to provide, a financial disclosure, he did.

I will agree that it's a bit suspect for someone so boastful of his income and wealth to hide it, but that is not enough to have the government compel disclosure for voyeuristic desires.
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There are plenty of legitimate questions about whether he is using his position, to promote his financial interests, and whether his actions in office are influenced by foreign powers. There is no doubt that he has been trying to build a hotel in Moscow since the '80s, and hopes Putin will help him. Congress -- an equal branch of government -- is absolutely entitled to ensure that the President is not abusing his office, and finding out where his money comes from is a good place to start.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/business/trump-tax-returns.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...f-trump-under-influence-foreign-power-n984911
 
I agree with the others, if every Democratic and Republican candidate for the past 32 years has released it, how does one weaponize it?

Also, checks and balances is the bedrock of our government. Without it we cannot have faith that our government is not corrupt.

If he is as honest as he claims to be what does he fear?

Apparently his secrets are so important that he is willing to lie to our faces (audits prevent me from releasing it). What are his secrets?
 
Ladewig said:
I agree with the others, if every Democratic and Republican candidate for the past 32 years has released it, how does one weaponize it?

Also, checks and balances is the bedrock of our government. Without it we cannot have faith that our government is not corrupt.

If he is as honest as he claims to be what does he fear?

Apparently his secrets are so important that he is willing to lie to our faces (audits prevent me from releasing it). What are his secrets?
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That sounds more like fishing.
 
BobTheCoward said:
That sounds more like fishing.
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We already know from Cohen (among others) that Dolt 45 routinely overstated his assets when applying for loans, and understated them when filing taxes. That alone is worth investigation, and Congress is the appropriate body to do this.
 
Mumbles said:
We already know from Cohen (among others) that Dolt 45 routinely overstated his assets when applying for loans, and understated them when filing taxes. That alone is worth investigation, and Congress is the appropriate body to do this.
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Why is that worth an investigation?

ETA: also, your post is a non sequitur to my post. My statement was that ladewig's post sounded like fishing. No matter how serious and correct your statement of Trump's activity is, it won't make ladewig's post not sound like fishing. It will only serve to highlight the gulf between the post I responded to and yours
 
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dudalb said:
Disagreeing with Dear Leader is now Treason.
Nice.
Please note not "Stupid" or "Foolish" or other words normally used in US Politics to describe policies you disagree with, but he accuses his opponents of a very serious crime.
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I'm reminded of the old understanding. Trump accuses Democrats of crimes that he, himself, committed. :rolleyes:
 
Mumbles said:
We already know from Cohen (among others) that Dolt 45 routinely overstated his assets when applying for loans, and understated them when filing taxes. That alone is worth investigation, and Congress is the appropriate body to do this.
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Well, I agree that Trump’s lying about it cannot be considered in the decision to look at the tax returns. Burden of proof on the state and all that. [aside: for a completely innocent man, Trump sure does a good impression of a guilty man]

And similarly, everyone else allowing their returns to be viewed cannot really be a factor. The police cannot say “you won’t let us search your house even though 60 of your neighbors happily allowed us to search their homes, that’s very suspicious so we can get a search warrant.”

But I’ll stand by the claim that it is Congress’s duty to make sure the president isn’t violating the law.

So it comes down to if the president claims his right to privacy is being violated, then how much privacy should a president running a business empire with customers including foreign powers such as Saudi Arabia and Russian expect.
 
Of course we have to consider past criminal behavior to decide if an investigation is warranted.

And in this case, Trump himself said that he always gets audited - which shows that he just doesn't want to do his taxes right. And because he is President, this puts the IRS in a difficult position.
It is entirely sufficient a reason for Congress to want to check on the audit, even if this isn't the only reason.
 
Ladewig said:
I agree with the others, if every Democratic and Republican candidate for the past 32 years has released it, how does one weaponize it?

Also, checks and balances is the bedrock of our government. Without it we cannot have faith that our government is not corrupt.

If he is as honest as he claims to be what does he fear?

Apparently his secrets are so important that he is willing to lie to our faces (audits prevent me from releasing it). What are his secrets?
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Voters DON'T CARE. Look at the map on election night. Trump received so many votes. Millions of votes. Tens of millions of votes. Almost as many votes as Hillary.
 
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House Democrats want to negotiate a $2 TRILLION spending increase but can’t even pass their own plan. We can’t afford it anyway, and it’s not happening!
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Of course we have to consider past criminal behavior to decide if an investigation is warranted.

And in this case, Trump himself said that he always gets audited - which shows that he just doesn't want to do his taxes right. And because he is President, this puts the IRS in a difficult position.
It is entirely sufficient a reason for Congress to want to check on the audit, even if this isn't the only reason.
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That's another issue - if anything, the wealthy almost always *avoid* being audited.

(Of course, I fully expect that Dolt 45 is not being audited at all, and is simply lying about it because his tax forms being exposed would end up with his house of cards falling.)
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Of course we have to consider past criminal behavior to decide if an investigation is warranted.

And in this case, Trump himself said that he always gets audited - which shows that he just doesn't want to do his taxes right. And because he is President, this puts the IRS in a difficult position.
It is entirely sufficient a reason for Congress to want to check on the audit, even if this isn't the only reason.
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Everyone who makes above a certain number of millions of dollars is automatically selected for audit.

Why is the IRS in a difficult position? They don’t have to make a decision, they just have to follow the law which doesn’t have exceptions for presidents. Now Team Trump might get an injunction to hold it up while it is being argued, but the IRS just has to follow any court orders.
 
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