Mueller Investigation pt5

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turingtest said:
The only logic Trump uses is "whatever I can get my base to swallow"- which means "illegal" doesn't have to be accurate, it's just a simplistic meme that those folks can follow.
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It is not even that thought out, it's simply that whatever Trump wants to say he says it regardless of facts, evidence or truth. He simply says what he thinks at any given moment. And since he's never had to listen to feedback telling him not everything he thinks and does is right and OK he has no internal filters.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1116135803707633664



Article embedded in tweet.

The reason this is significant and posted in this thread, is that the investigation that these charges stem from was spun off from the Mueller investigation.
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Manafort killed the golden goose. It seems that plenty of undeclared foreign lobbying was happening all over place. Sure, it was illegal, but no one ever got prosecuted for it.

Manafort got a little too loud and proud about this lawbreaking, so here comes the backlash.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
 
As a skeptic, I reject all of Barr's claims. He is simply not presenting evidence to support any statements he is making.
 
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Biggest scandal of our time - the coup that failed!

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Worm said:
I know it's something of a fool's errand, but I really don't understand Trump's logic here.

"it was an illegal investigation that should never have been allowed to start."

Wasn't it started by Rod Rosenstein, using the accepted process for appointing a Speical Counsel? What is illegal about it? I understand that he doesn't like it, and thinks it was a witch hunt, hugely influenced by Democrats (depsite being authorised and overseen almost entirely by Republicans) etc. etc. - but in what way was it illegal?
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Trump has been repeating this lie for 2 years, not hard to understand.
 
Breaking news, an Obama counsel is being indicted.

No further info. Other than it is related to the Mueller investigation.

Could it be false statements regarding who gave orders to spy on the Trump campaign?
 
Drewbot said:
Breaking news, an Obama counsel is being indicted.

No further info. Other than it is related to the Mueller investigation.

Could it be false statements regarding who gave orders to spy on the Trump campaign?
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I'm quite sure you'll find that it is related to his work for Ukraine, alongside Manafort.
 
Drewbot said:
Breaking news, an Obama counsel is being indicted.

No further info. Other than it is related to the Mueller investigation.
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It was related to the Mueller investigation in the sense that indictment is a continuation of Mueller's work investigating Greg Craig.

Could it be false statements regarding who gave orders to spy on the Trump campaign?
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No, it couldn't.

All reports are that he failed to register as a foreign agent, like Manafort.
 
Drewbot said:
Could it be false statements regarding who gave orders to spy on the Trump campaign?
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Gregory Craig, former Obama White House counsel, charged with making false statements related to Ukraine work in latest Mueller fallout

It could be, but it's not:
The indictment stems from work Craig did with GOP lobbyist Paul Manafort while Craig was a partner at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, the law firm he joined after ending his tenure at the White House.
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RecoveringYuppy said:
How would Greg Craig count as "breaking news"? It's been in the news for quite a while.
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Probably because Trump keeps bringing this **** up. Obama and Clinton spied on him, they conspired with Russia and so on... look here's a person who once worked for Obama... :rolleyes:

Obama and Clinton tried to remove Trump by a coup and they failed. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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Boomerang update

Larry Johnson said:
Attorney General Barr stated the obvious--law enforcement and intelligence agencies spied on Donald Trump's campaign--and touched off an incredible display of stupidity and obtuseness among the Trump haters. Me? I was cheering because Bill Barr confirmed what I said two years ago. Unfortunately, for daring to speak a simple truth in the spring of 2017 I immediately was a target of the hate Trump media mob.

I was attacked for telling the public the truth that foreign intelligence--the British to be precise--were spying on the Trump campaign and passing this info along to US intelligence. But the Brits were not acting unilaterally. There was full cooperation and activity by U.S. intelligence agencies and the FBI. Another word for this is "COLLUSION." [...]
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Side note:

If your last name is Craig and you decide to name your child Greg, you should be thrown in prison.
 
BobTheCoward said:
As a skeptic, I reject all of Barr's claims. He is simply not presenting evidence to support any statements he is making.
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As a skeptic, I can infer that though Barr may be misrepresenting what the Special Counsel investigators found, by sincere misunderstanding or otherwise, what he has told the public so far probably isn't far from the truth.

I expect some heavy backlash from insiders if Barr was just making **** up at the mic.
 
Venom said:
As a skeptic, I can infer that though Barr may be misrepresenting what the Special Counsel investigators found, by sincere misunderstanding or otherwise, what he has told the public so far probably isn't far from the truth.

I expect some heavy backlash from insiders if Barr was just making **** up at the mic.
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No reason to bother with that exercise. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.
 
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