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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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Tero said:
There is absolutely nothing Trump can do to lose his base. They will stick with him to the end, to their own grave if necessary. "That will show them foreigner loving liberals" will be their last words.
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Trump is half-German - not sure we should trust someone who comes from a Social Market Economy with single-payer healthcare.
 
quadraginta said:
Be fair. He's good for the occasional chuckle.
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But in determining value, you also have to ask, "At what cost?" A minor chuckle at the latest "Windmill Cancer" is far outweighed by the despair felt when you realize he believes in Windmill Cancer, and now, so will his idiot followers. So, negative net worth.



We need someone to take one for the team, and read all his stupid stuff. Then we need that person to post something like one of those "Safety in the Workplace" signs: "It's been 173 days since Trump said anything of worth". When (if?) the rest of use see the number reset to zero, then we can go see the unicorn.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's called whistle blowing. Pretty sure a case for that could be made depending on what is in the returns. For example, if the returns show Trump is profiting from his position, the public has a right to know.
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And how do you justify making an exception for Trump specifically? What do you do once you have your justification? Change the law and put "except for Donald J. Trump" on it?
 
Belz... said:
And how do you justify making an exception for Trump specifically? What do you do once you have your justification? Change the law and put "except for Donald J. Trump" on it?
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I'd be okay with letting a judge decide. We do that for a lot of other cases.

"You shot that guy because he looked at you funny: Guilty!" "You shot that guy because he was about to blow up a bus full of children: Not guilty!"

A whistle blower publishes Joe Sixpack's tax return because he's wearing a MAGA hat? Guilty, punish the blower. A whistle blower publishes Joe President's tax return because it contains evidence of influence peddling or treason? Hero!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Poor widdle Trumpy, those meanies aren't treating him fairly. :v:
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Add Barbara Bush, the late Barbara Bush, to the list.
“I have heard that she was nasty to me, but she should be," the president told The Washington Times in an interview published on Thursday. "Look what I did to her sons.”
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This is from today's USA Today:
In [her] book, Bush blamed Trump for aggravating her long battle with congestive heart failure and chronic pulmonary disease. Bush also told Page that she'd "probably say no" when asked if she still considered herself a Republican..."I'm trying not to think about it," Barbara Bush said in an interview that took place in 2018 as the first anniversary of Trump's election approached. "We're a strong country, and I think it will all work out.” Link
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Evidence? Evidence the IRS cares about corruption if the taxes are properly paid? Not sure they see that as their job.
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There are 2 employees charged with auditing the President and VPs. Ethics are part of the review process when dealing with federal employee returns.

Sorry, no clue what you're on about here with all this subpoena and related stuff. Are you saying you don't like it that a Democratic Congressperson has access to a cheating POTUS? It's called oversight and if you can't get anything through a partisan Senate you might need to take other measures.

Now instead of whistle blowing Neal could bring a corruption case against Trump.
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If he can bring a corruption case, he can't be a whistleblower. They are mutually exclusive. He would be violating the laws to make the information public when he had a legal responsibility not to.

:rolleyes: Sorry, not seeing it.
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Of course you don't. But when you put forward the idea that rights don't apply to your political enemies, you are expressing ideas that are corrupt at the core.
 
Ladewig said:
That is a grossly inappropriate thing to say.

Curly Howard was talented and contributed his fair share. President Trump is more of a Shemp.
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I was going to say the exact same thing, but I thought it might be an insult to our very prominent Forum member.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump is half-German - not sure we should trust someone who comes from a Social Market Economy with single-payer healthcare.
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Trump has never promised any such thing. Neither has the GOP. if you pay 20 000 a year for insurance, they were going to give you 4000-5000 back. Provided you bought the insurance. Their credit was never going to be for paying healthcare directly.
 
Leftus said:
Evidence? Evidence the IRS cares about corruption if the taxes are properly paid? Not sure they see that as their job.
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There are 2 employees charged with auditing the President and VPs. Ethics are part of the review process when dealing with federal employee returns.
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I think the point was, the job of the IRS is to determine whether you paid taxes on money that you earned, not whether that money was earned in a legal manner.

If you're a hitman, and you write on your tax form: Killed someone, income: $10000, the IRS would only care that you paid your taxes on that $10,000. They would not have the authority to contact your local police department and say "This tax form says he earned money from killing someone... maybe you should look into it".
 
Segnosaur said:
I think the point was, the job of the IRS is to determine whether you paid taxes on money that you earned, not whether that money was earned in a legal manner.

If you're a hitman, and you write on your tax form: Killed someone, income: $10000, the IRS would only care that you paid your taxes on that $10,000. They would not have the authority to contact your local police department and say "This tax form says he earned money from killing someone... maybe you should look into it".
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That's something that always bothered me. How specific do you have to be while reporting illegal income? I mean, if you list $100k on your tax form under "Illegal activities", that is different than "Income from Oklahoma City diamond heist". I mean, if you are reporting the income, it's not like you are trying to evade the taxes, right? Does the IRS need all the details?
 
Ladewig said:
Quite an oversimplification.

Most folks on this board value skepticism, evidence, and logic. And most of those folks, in turn, value learning, formal education, and intelligence.

But if you are in an economically depressed area, you may never had much use for skeptics and intellectuals. So when a fast-talking, loud-mouthed con man comes along using language you understand, then his grossly oversimplified solutions to complex issues appear to be the common-sense answer to the perceived contempt Washington has for the common man and his problems.

They didn’t choose him because he is dumb, they chose him because, as is often quoted, he is a dumb man’s idea of a smart man, a poor man’s idea of a rich man, and a weak man’s idea of a strong man.
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I agree completely. However, one also has to be stupid not to eventually realize one is being conned.
 
Segnosaur said:
I think the point was, the job of the IRS is to determine whether you paid taxes on money that you earned, not whether that money was earned in a legal manner.

If you're a hitman, and you write on your tax form: Killed someone, income: $10000, the IRS would only care that you paid your taxes on that $10,000. They would not have the authority to contact your local police department and say "This tax form says he earned money from killing someone... maybe you should look into it".
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You're kidding....right?
 
Segnosaur said:
I think the point was, the job of the IRS is to determine whether you paid taxes on money that you earned, not whether that money was earned in a legal manner.

If you're a hitman, and you write on your tax form: Killed someone, income: $10000, the IRS would only care that you paid your taxes on that $10,000. They would not have the authority to contact your local police department and say "This tax form says he earned money from killing someone... maybe you should look into it".
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I think you are supposed to list that under "professional services".
 
acbytesla said:
You're kidding....right?
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It's the result of an inherent conflict between the 5th Amendment saying you cannot be forced to confess to a crime, and the IRS having a legitimate public need to know how much money you made to insure that you are taxed fairly. Courts have said that the IRS is not supposed to investigate crimes unrelated to income and taxes, and should not be coordinating with law enforcement for that purpose.

As a practical matter, they are going to find a way to rat you out if you confess to a specific crime.
 
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The press is doing everything within their power to fight the magnificence of the phrase, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! They can’t stand the fact that this Administration has done more than virtually any other Administration in its first 2yrs. They are truly the ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!
 
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