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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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chrispy said:
Trump is losing it. Is anyone watching this "talk" about Mexico? WTF is he talking about? Even by his standard this is a rambling ****-show of a speech.
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Jennifer Rubin said:
[Trump] is increasingly incoherent. The Post quotes him at a Republican event on Tuesday: “We’re going into the war with some socialist. It looks like the only non, sort of, heavy socialist is being taken care of pretty well by the socialists, they got to him, our former vice president. I was going to call him, I don’t know him well, I was going to say ‘Welcome to the world Joe, you having a good time?'” Even when attempting to defend himself, he emits spurts of disconnected thoughts. “Now you look at that [presidential announcement] speech and you see what’s happening and that speech was so tame compared to what is happening now, that trek up is one of the great treacherous treks anywhere, and Mexico has now, because they don’t want the border closed.”
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Trump is Unraveling Before Our Eyes
 
Belz... said:
Dude, don't keep us hanging. What did he say?
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Sorry. It was a mostly incoherent ramble, but among other things he said that Mexico needs to arrest people at their Southern border because Mexico has the "strongest immigration laws in the world", that if they don't take action he will "tarriff their cars" and that if that doesn't work he wll close the border. Needs to be watched to really understand...or try to understand. :confused:
 
I think it's pretty bad when one's actual speech is more incoherent than a Bad Lip Reading parody of it. Centipede, ricin, goat balls.
 
Horatius said:
It would be nice to find out that Mr. I'm-A-Billionaire-Goddamnit! has a personal net worth that is somewhat less than a billion.
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Sadly, that is exceedingly unlikely. The same law that allows Ways and Means access to them, is the same law that limits disclosure to closed door, executive members only.

If it gets leaked, someone should go to jail.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Poor widdle Trumpy, those meanies aren't treating him fairly. :v:
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How is that an excuse to break the law? The law they are using restricts the disclosure to an executive closed door meeting. It does not permit sharing it anywhere else. If someone intentionally leaks tax documents, someone should go to jail. If it's good enough for federal employees, it's good enough for Congress.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
God I love these moments of Trump lackeys getting caught in moments of unavoidable absurdity due to his idiocy. If only we could get a transcript of their thoughts, a Dark Night in the Soul indeed.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1113773459455135746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1113773459455135746&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231113773459455135746
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Why do people willingly make themselves look as stupid as Trump?
 
Belz... said:
The comment had nothing to do with Trump, but with breaking the law.
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Leftus said:
How is that an excuse to break the law? The law they are using restricts the disclosure to an executive closed door meeting. It does not permit sharing it anywhere else. If someone intentionally leaks tax documents, someone should go to jail. If it's good enough for federal employees, it's good enough for Congress.
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It's called whistle blowing. Pretty sure a case for that could be made depending on what is in the returns. For example, if the returns show Trump is profiting from his position, the public has a right to know.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's called whistle blowing. Pretty sure a case for that could be made depending on what is in the returns. For example, if the returns show Trump is profiting from his position, the public has a right to know.
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Well, if the whistleblower gets arrested, he or she can appeal the charges. All the way to SCOTUS if necessary. The question then becomes whether or not Trump-appointed judges recuse themselves.
 
Ladewig said:
Well, if the whistleblower gets arrested, he or she can appeal the charges. All the way to SCOTUS if necessary. The question then becomes whether or not Trump-appointed judges recuse themselves.
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My initial comment was in reply to the statement the person who would leak Trump's tax records belongs in jail. I have no empathy for crimes against Trump.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's called whistle blowing. Pretty sure a case for that could be made depending on what is in the returns. For example, if the returns show Trump is profiting from his position, the public has a right to know.
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For there to be a whistleblower, there would have to be someone with the information, who was entitled to have it, and shared it without permission. The problem with that is the people who will have access to the return have subpoena power.

If the President were profiting illegally from his position, it would have come up during the past two audits. So they could subpoena various senior employees of the IRS as to what did or did not happen. They also have the authority to go directly to the DOJ for an investigation. No need to pretend a leak is needed for whistle-blowing.

My initial comment was in reply to the statement the person who would leak Trump's tax records belongs in jail. I have no empathy for crimes against Trump.
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How very corrupt of you.
 
Leftus said:
For there to be a whistleblower, there would have to be someone with the information, who was entitled to have it, and shared it without permission. The problem with that is the people who will have access to the return have subpoena power.

If the President were profiting illegally from his position, it would have come up during the past two audits.
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Evidence? Evidence the IRS cares about corruption if the taxes are properly paid? Not sure they see that as their job.

Of course an IRS worker might be a whistle blower too.

Leftus said:
So they could subpoena various senior employees of the IRS as to what did or did not happen. They also have the authority to go directly to the DOJ for an investigation. No need to pretend a leak is needed for whistle-blowing.
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Sorry, no clue what you're on about here with all this subpoena and related stuff. Are you saying you don't like it that a Democratic Congressperson has access to a cheating POTUS? It's called oversight and if you can't get anything through a partisan Senate you might need to take other measures.

Now instead of whistle blowing Neal could bring a corruption case against Trump.

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“We must make it harder for future presidents to behave this way,” Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said as his panel voted to give him the power to subpoena the full report. “We need a full accounting of the president’s actions to do that work.” ...

Trump was immediately dismissive of the request by Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.), chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, to the IRS for six years of his personal and business tax returns. Trump fell back on the argument that he was still under audit, yet also signaled that he wasn’t in any mood to comply with the Democratic demand.
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Leftus said:
How very corrupt of you.
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:rolleyes: Sorry, not seeing it.
 
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