Official - Michael Jackson was scum

DragonLady said:
Apparently nothing.

I would think someone with that kind of wealth would read so many books, travel so much and be exposed to so many people and ideas they couldn't possible be ignorant of something so pervasive and destructive. But if the things they say are any indication at all, it clearly just doesn't work that way.
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I think the problem is that you're imagining what you would do if you were wealthy. I think for many celebrities, the acquisition of wisdom is not at the top of the list.
 
Jerrymander said:
Now there's controversy over whether Safechuck was abused at the train station as he claimed in the film.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a27027025/leaving-neverland-michael-jackson-dan-reed-james-safechuck-wrong-response/
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I still haven't seen the documentary (will have HBO in time to see GoT, and will watch it then), but have to laugh if timelines screw up liars again!

Being forced to fit the timelines of their stories with the verifiable facts was partly what proved the second accusers were full of BS, and I think it will be funny if another one is proven to be lying by catching himself in the same net.
 
He clarified in subsequent tweets that Safechuck was still at Neverland Ranch beyond 1994 and took pictures of the station which appeared in the documentary, and that the victim claimed he was abused into his teens.
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If this is true and Safechuck had photos of the train station, and these photos even appeared in the documentary, then he was obviously there after the place was built and there's no discrepancy here, just an attempt to force the appearance of one.
 
Checkmite said:
If this is true and Safechuck had photos of the train station, and these photos even appeared in the documentary, then he was obviously there after the place was built and there's no discrepancy here, just an attempt to force the appearance of one.
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Safechuck claimed that abuse stopped in 1992. And even if he was at Neverland in 94 that doesn't mean he was there with MJ. It also contradicts the narrative about him dumping kids after they reached puberty.
 
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DragonLady said:
I still haven't seen the documentary (will have HBO in time to see GoT, and will watch it then), but have to laugh if timelines screw up liars again!

Being forced to fit the timelines of their stories with the verifiable facts was partly what proved the second accusers were full of BS, and I think it will be funny if another one is proven to be lying by catching himself in the same net.
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It's not as if you have any dog in the fight.
 
trustbutverify said:
It's not as if you have any dog in the fight.
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If these guys will lie about something as terrible as child abuse just to get $$$ from a former friend's estate, then I think they deserve to be exposed.

Child abuse is a horrific thing, and the real victims suffer for the rest of their lives. People who would use their misfortune as a means to extort are making a mockery of genuine victims.
 
Jerrymander said:
Safechuck claimed that abuse stopped in 1992. And even if he was at Neverland in 94 that doesn't mean he was there with MJ. It also contradicts the narrative about him dumping kids after they reached puberty.
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At the link, the tweets from Reed say that the documentary does not claim Safechuck's abuse stopped in 1992. And obviously, if Safechuck has photographs of this building, he was physically at Neverland and least as late as 1994.
 
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Checkmite said:
At the link, the tweets from Reed say that the documentary does not claim Safechuck's abuse stopped in 1992. And obviously, if Safechuck has photographs of this building, he was physically at Neverland and least as late as 1994.
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If those photos are of him there, or are photos he took himself while he was there, then you are correct.

But just having photos of the building from the right time period are not, IMO, good enough.
 
Checkmite said:
At the link, the tweets from Reed say that the documentary does not claim Safechuck's abuse stopped in 1992. And obviously, if Safechuck has photographs of this building, he was physically at Neverland and least as late as 1994.
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But Safechuck did in the court documents.
 
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