Mueller Investigation pt5

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WilliamSeger said:
You're in denial; the facts Maddow has been talking about will already be in the report, because they're public knowledge to anyone paying attention.
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Key words there William.

Trump supporters aren't capable of this - short attention spans you see, always distracted by the next shiny object Trump shows them...

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Childlike Empress said:
Pay attention next time before you let your fingers type about something I already said I misunderstood. I thought Seger was doubting Johnstone's words. There's enough noise already here.
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I responded when I read your response, I had not seen you admit your confusion yet.

And anyway, I prefer people that manage to understand it the first time.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Pay attention next time before you let your fingers type about something I already said I misunderstood. I thought Seger was doubting Johnstone's words. There's enough noise already here.
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Oh wow, and now that I've looked for your retraction I can't even find it. This was your only clarifying post before I made mine:

Childlike Empress said:
WilliamSeger on the other hand seemed to question something in an article I brought into this thread, so current events and relevant to respond to for me. Apparently I misunderstood and what he really meant is that due process doesn't apply here and he wants WikiLeaks to publish the whole thing unredacted for even Vladimir Putin to see.
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So evidently you still misunderstand (or more likely: Lie). WilliamSeger was talking about releasing the report to the Congressional oversight committees. Indeed, he was so clear about that I can't understand how you could honestly miss it:

WilliamSeger said:
Highlighting mine; that's not what he's delivering to the public, or to Congress, apparently, if he can avoid it. The Congressional oversight committees need to see the submitted, unredacted report, and there's no reason Barr can't provide that now.
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Your dishonesty is what's causing the noise. It's not me.
 
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Bogative said:
That's it! The only reason Mueller did not charge Trump or any other US person with collusion is because there is no such crime as collusion!
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Pretty good reason, doncha think?

Bogative said:
That Robert Mueller, his 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents were just to dumb to figure it out on their own.
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It's not a matter of being dumb if there is no such statute.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's not relevant to Trump if you look at his current incessant propaganda lines.

And lying to himself is a given, facts don't matter to his ideas of grandeur. What does matter is he can credibly lie to his base and a good deal more Republicans and they suck it up.
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I agree that facts don't matter to his ideas of grandeur. If he was sane and fact-based, maybe being president and not charged with a crime would be good enough for him. But if he's a pathological narcissist, that won't be enough. He's got to be the most exonerated president ever!

I'm not talking about what fools his base, I'm talking about what calms the storm inside him. Maybe the adulation of the minority will be enough, but I'm not at all sure it will be.
 
Bogative said:
That's it! The only reason Mueller did not charge Trump or any other US person with collusion is because there is no such crime as collusion! That Robert Mueller, his 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents were just to dumb to figure it out on their own. It's a shame they were not reading this thread.
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It seems to me like you're confused about what that investigation was about, or what might be in the report.
 
Cabbage said:
So evidently you still misunderstand (or more likely: Lie). WilliamSeger was talking about releasing the report to the Congressional oversight committees. Indeed, he was so clear about that I can't understand how you could honestly miss it.
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I didn't miss it. What Seger was talking about was just not part of what Barr wrote, and his "let us see it now!!11" antics made me write that little punch. Like it or not, I don't care Cabbage. It would be so fun if WikiLeaks would publish the unredacted thing tomorrow. Maybe "The Resistance" would then swarm the Ecuadorian Embassy in London where Assange is rotting with less rights than any prisoner in "The West" in one of their usual change-from-villain-to-hero-and-back-as-we-are-told moves.
 
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Minoosh said:
I agree that facts don't matter to his ideas of grandeur. If he was sane and fact-based, maybe being president and not charged with a crime would be good enough for him. But if he's a pathological narcissist, that won't be enough. He's got to be the most exonerated president ever!

I'm not talking about what fools his base, I'm talking about what calms the storm inside him. Maybe the adulation of the minority will be enough, but I'm not at all sure it will be.
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Oh he's going for the most persecuted exonerated person without a doubt. Having his minions like Conway and a bunch of GOP legislators call for Schiff to resign is feeding that narcissism to the max. In Trump's mind he imagines his persecutors all groveling before him asking for his forgiveness.

Of course that fantasy is short lived, it's not sustainable with facts coming out.
 
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Minoosh said:
From my imperfect knowledge RecoveringYuppy has a point. If Mueller has not made an explicit claim, we can't say he takes issue with Barr's letter.

But RecoveringYuppy, no word of Barr's letter is included by accident, including this: "The Special Counsel’s report states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.'"

That's on obstruction.

I'm not clear when Barr said Mueller exonerated him. I don't see it in Barr's letter. Much of the letter uses "we" to refer to Barr and Rosenstein. I believe Barr is trying very hard not to lie in writing.
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Barr doesn't say that Mueller exonerated anyone. The letter is simply crafted to give that impression to those who want it. It actually barely says anything at all, though, on serious examination and quite certainly doesn't make it clear that practically any part of the reporting on Trump-Russia is actually wrong. It also leaves enough wiggle room that Barr pretty much couldn't be on the hook for lying, even if the Mueller report were almost diametrically opposite in its general thrust to the impression the letter was designed to create. So... yeah. My advice since looking at it has been to take it with a huge grain of salt.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I didn't miss it. What Seger was talking about was just not part of what Barr wrote, and his "let us see it now!!11" antics made me write that little punch. Like it or not, I don't care Cabbage. It would be so fun if WikiLeaks would publish the unredacted thing tomorrow. Maybe "The Resistance" would then swarm the Ecuadorian Embassy in London where Assange is rotting with less rights than any prisoner in "The West" in one of their usual change-from-villain-to-hero-and-back-as-we-are-told moves.
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And yet you still felt the need to mischaracterize what Seger said because your "little punch" is actually quite irrelevant to what he actually said. What you are talking about was just not part of what Seger said.

Seger speaks of releasing the unredacted report to the Congressional oversight committees and you change the subject to public releases by Wikileaks (and this deception on your part is quite clearly shown in my last post)--falling back on the old principle that if you don't have a point you can always create a straw man. LOL!
 
Childlike Empress said:
I didn't miss it. What Seger was talking about was just not part of what Barr wrote, and his "let us see it now!!11" antics made me write that little punch. Like it or not, I don't care Cabbage . It would be so fun if WikiLeaks would publish the unredacted thing tomorrow. Maybe "The Resistance" would then swarm the Ecuadorian Embassy in London where Assange is rotting with less rights than any prisoner in "The West" in one of their usual change-from-villain-to-hero-and-back-as-we-are-told moves.
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Thanks for your attention.
 
Aridas said:
It also leaves enough wiggle room that Barr pretty much couldn't be on the hook for lying, even if the Mueller report were almost diametrically opposite in its general thrust to the impression the letter was designed to create.
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This is getting me closer to a thought I was trying to think - Barr will throw his lot in with Trump because that's his job, but he's not quite willing to trash his own legal reputation. I think Trump may be running out of people who will fall on their swords for him. At least, reasonably intelligent ones. He's definitely running out of lawyers that will do it.

Barr tailored his response to cover his own ass. I don't really blame him. But I also don't know if it's going to be enough for Trump.
 
Bogative said:
Did you not read this thread? It's stated with absolute certainty dozens and dozens of times the points on that list are proof of collusion.

Mueller and his team missing them can be the only reason The Trump Crime Family was not charged with collusion. Unless the Mueller/Barr Omission Report conspiracy theories are true.
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Neither were they charged with purple saddle abrasion, correct? And that’s because? Anyone?
 
Bogative said:
That's it! The only reason Mueller did not charge Trump or any other US person with collusion is because there is no such crime as collusion! That Robert Mueller, his 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents were just to dumb to figure it out on their own. It's a shame they were not reading this thread.
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Dew tell!
 
Aridas said:
Barr doesn't say that Mueller exonerated anyone. The letter is simply crafted to give that impression to those who want it. It actually barely says anything at all, though, on serious examination and quite certainly doesn't make it clear that practically any part of the reporting on Trump-Russia is actually wrong. It also leaves enough wiggle room that Barr pretty much couldn't be on the hook for lying, even if the Mueller report were almost diametrically opposite in its general thrust to the impression the letter was designed to create.
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In other words, Barr, a lawyer, wrote the sort of thing lawyers learn how to write because that's what they get paid for.



So... yeah. My advice since looking at it has been to take it with a huge grain of salt.
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Quite.
 
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