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Cancer finally cured

jonesdave116 said:
If it is possible to cure ham, why can't we cure cancer? Can't be beyond the wit of man.
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At a guess?
Because unlike the pig... we'd like the human to get well again.

Witty enough? :D


(eta: damn, I sense a Python interlude coming. ;) )
 
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I'm currently sitting in a hospice room with someone I've known for over a decade who is terminal with cancer. So, I'm not really able to see much of the humor in this topic.

BStrong said:
He and I got them gone from the house w/o injury so that was a real world win.
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In my present state of mind I would say that "without injury" would be asking a bit too much. So, I can appreciate your restraint.
 
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jonesdave116 said:
If it is possible to cure ham, why can't we cure cancer? Can't be beyond the wit of man.
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You can't cure a nocebo effect! In a nocebo effect the person is reacting (bodily reactivity) to an idea or perception of possible harm. Their body will build a barrier.. a cell barrier of course. Cancer is stem cell mediated immunity erroneously ignited in the body owing to false perceptions of possible harm.

The official story is that cancer is abnormal cells dividing out of control, but this is not consistent with the scientific research. It is only a convenient way of describing cancer to enable explanation of animal models and specifically for lucrative drug discoveries.

The research shows that cancer is a novel organ.
In most solid tumors there is:
1. a basal / defining membrane,
2. a micro-environment with many cells other than the various cancer cells,
3. intelligent communication between the cancer cells and the cells of the micro environment.
4.Intelligent communication and co-operation between the cancer stem cells and the immune system cells. In fact without the immune system's co-operation there would be no metastasis. Cancer stem cells pass chemical messenger called exosomes to the immune cells, which then go and prepare the new site for metastasis. They then return and escort the cancer stem cells and possibly some of the other cancer cells to the new site.
Cancer organs have their own blood networks, lymphatic networks and in many cases their own innervation.

All of the above screams high organisation and deliberate changes. Yet they are being explained away as "recruiting other body cells (those of the micro-environment), hijacking the immune system, tricking the blood vessels and lymphatic vessels to extend into the cancer and even tricking the nervous system. There is NO evidence for their claims.

There is no cure and big pharma is happy with that because they can sell drugs and make a lot of money, worldwide in the trillions while doctors are held to ransom.

A person however doesn't need no medical treatments to get rid of cancer. All they need is to bring the foul game play, which is behind cancer, to a halt. To stop their body from reacting.

Very briefly there are ideas, which are presented under a concealed threat.In a concealed threat the person is blind-sighted. So if there are ideas in the Mind that point to possible danger or harm, they will appraise their bodily reactivity as fear. They may then see the fear as evidence for the ideas. However the body is not fooled so easily.

The ideas, which are believed will give rise to mirror neuron response, so there will be some reactivity in the relevant part of the body. But the body will look for sensory information going back to the brain. So if there is an idea of "it's been guttered", a general suggestion, which may have been garnered from some event in the person's life unrelated to health, there will be mirror neuron response. BUT if say the bowel was being targeted in imagery (which is hard to consciously perceive), the body will look for sensory information going back to the brain. If there is none, then it will do nothing.

So how to get sensory information going back to the brain and thus trick the body? The main way is to use some ongoing issue, which creates ongoing emotional reactivity. Another way is to use ideas of action of some sort. Hence if there is say sadness and grief then the person can be targeted with ideas about their bowel being guttered, for example. So the body under those conditions will build a cell barrier.

All the person needs to do is to resolve the issue so the emotional reactivity ceases. No more sensory information going back to the brain. The body will then initiate a spontaneous remission. It safe, effective and free!
 
kyrani99 said:
You can't cure a nocebo effect! In a nocebo effect the person is reacting (bodily reactivity) to an idea or perception of possible harm. Their body will build a barrier.. a cell barrier of course. Cancer is stem cell mediated immunity erroneously ignited in the body owing to false perceptions of possible harm.

The official story is that cancer is abnormal cells dividing out of control, but this is not consistent with the scientific research. It is only a convenient way of describing cancer to enable explanation of animal models and specifically for lucrative drug discoveries.

The research shows that cancer is a novel organ.
In most solid tumors there is:
1. a basal / defining membrane,
2. a micro-environment with many cells other than the various cancer cells,
3. intelligent communication between the cancer cells and the cells of the micro environment.
4.Intelligent communication and co-operation between the cancer stem cells and the immune system cells. In fact without the immune system's co-operation there would be no metastasis. Cancer stem cells pass chemical messenger called exosomes to the immune cells, which then go and prepare the new site for metastasis. They then return and escort the cancer stem cells and possibly some of the other cancer cells to the new site.
Cancer organs have their own blood networks, lymphatic networks and in many cases their own innervation.

All of the above screams high organisation and deliberate changes. Yet they are being explained away as "recruiting other body cells (those of the micro-environment), hijacking the immune system, tricking the blood vessels and lymphatic vessels to extend into the cancer and even tricking the nervous system. There is NO evidence for their claims.

There is no cure and big pharma is happy with that because they can sell drugs and make a lot of money, worldwide in the trillions while doctors are held to ransom.

A person however doesn't need no medical treatments to get rid of cancer. All they need is to bring the foul game play, which is behind cancer, to a halt. To stop their body from reacting.

Very briefly there are ideas, which are presented under a concealed threat.In a concealed threat the person is blind-sighted. So if there are ideas in the Mind that point to possible danger or harm, they will appraise their bodily reactivity as fear. They may then see the fear as evidence for the ideas. However the body is not fooled so easily.

The ideas, which are believed will give rise to mirror neuron response, so there will be some reactivity in the relevant part of the body. But the body will look for sensory information going back to the brain. So if there is an idea of "it's been guttered", a general suggestion, which may have been garnered from some event in the person's life unrelated to health, there will be mirror neuron response. BUT if say the bowel was being targeted in imagery (which is hard to consciously perceive), the body will look for sensory information going back to the brain. If there is none, then it will do nothing.

So how to get sensory information going back to the brain and thus trick the body? The main way is to use some ongoing issue, which creates ongoing emotional reactivity. Another way is to use ideas of action of some sort. Hence if there is say sadness and grief then the person can be targeted with ideas about their bowel being guttered, for example. So the body under those conditions will build a cell barrier.

All the person needs to do is to resolve the issue so the emotional reactivity ceases. No more sensory information going back to the brain. The body will then initiate a spontaneous remission. It safe, effective and free!
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Poe much?:rolleyes:
 
POE MUCH but not about my work.

"Poe much" was said. You know where there the poe much is? In the medical story.
Since you are all so sure I am wrong then can someone here please explain the following.
We see a lot of new proteins in cancer, like a whole swag full. Where do they come from? They certainly can't be explained by the cancer clonal evolutionary theory. Hit or miss random chance to get a several hundred amino acid chain, to say nothing about being folded properly as to be functional. You are kidding yourselves if you think these can come about from evolution, not even one can come about from evolution in an old person's whole life time, even if they were Adam in the OT and lived to 900 odd, let along a child's few years.

And what about metastasis, aye? Highly organised EMT biological programs are brought about. You reckon abnormal cells dividing out of control are capable of this? And to say nothing about the exchange between cancer stem cells and the immune system cells, which go and prepare a particular site before metastasis takes place. The public is told "some cells break loose, punch holes in membranes and somehow get into the blood or lymphatic vessels. And there they are supposed to travel at their own peril. And what do you know they accidentally get jammed in the prepared site. WOW.

The medical, scientific evidence is stark pointing to a nocebo effect. It is fly in your face evidence. They don't talk about it though. They don't tell the public about the new proteins, not even those that affect the cell cycle. They are stuck like broken record on the "driver mutations and the passenger mutations". Guys, driver mutations!!!! Just think. How can mutations drive anything. It is the new genes transcribed and translated to form driver proteins, if we are to use the terminology.

And what about the passengers? I think you will find that if some one dared to do the research... sequence the new proteins and have a look at the passengers and they would find.. OMG, they match. The passengers are not there for the ride as Mr. Cancer Biology will have us believe. They are new genes. NEW GENES, which when transcribed and translated and then folded form the new proteins we see.

Not only is this about nocebo effect but it is a death blow to Darwinism, neoDarwinism or whatever else you want to call it. Intelligence is at the heart of the matter.
 
Guys. This is a DOCTOR who is saying this. They are experts in the human body. You can’t debunk his expertise because you can Google a few things. I’ve been told that to do so is a clear example of Dunning-Kruger.
 
kyrani99 said:
You can't cure a nocebo effect! In a nocebo effect the person is reacting (bodily reactivity) to an idea or perception of possible harm. Their body will build a barrier.. a cell barrier of course. Cancer is stem cell mediated immunity erroneously ignited in the body owing to false perceptions of possible harm.
The official story is that cancer is abnormal cells dividing out of control, but this is not consistent with the scientific research. It is only a convenient way of describing cancer to enable explanation of animal models and specifically for lucrative drug discoveries.
The research shows that cancer is a novel organ.In most solid tumors there is:
1. a basal / defining membrane,
2. a micro-environment with many cells other than the various cancer cells,
3. intelligent communication between the cancer cells and the cells of the micro environment.
4.Intelligent communication and co-operation between the cancer stem cells and the immune system cells. In fact without the immune system's co-operation there would be no metastasis. Cancer stem cells pass chemical messenger called exosomes to the immune cells, which then go and prepare the new site for metastasis. They then return and escort the cancer stem cells and possibly some of the other cancer cells to the new site. Cancer organs have their own blood networks, lymphatic networks and in many cases their own innervation.

All of the above screams high organisation and deliberate changes. Yet they are being explained away as "recruiting other body cells (those of the micro-environment), hijacking the immune system, tricking the blood vessels and lymphatic vessels to extend into the cancer and even tricking the nervous system. There is NO evidence for their claims.

There is no cure and big pharma is happy with that because they can sell drugs and make a lot of money, worldwide in the trillions while doctors are held to ransom. A person however doesn't need no medical treatments to get rid of cancer. All they need is to bring the foul game play, which is behind cancer, to a halt. To stop their body from reacting. Very briefly there are ideas, which are presented under a concealed threat.In a concealed threat the person is blind-sighted. So if there are ideas in the Mind that point to possible danger or harm, they will appraise their bodily reactivity as fear. They may then see the fear as evidence for the ideas. However the body is not fooled so easily.
The ideas, which are believed will give rise to mirror neuron response, so there will be some reactivity in the relevant part of the body. But the body will look for sensory information going back to the brain. So if there is an idea of "it's been guttered", a general suggestion, which may have been garnered from some event in the person's life unrelated to health, there will be mirror neuron response. BUT if say the bowel was being targeted in imagery (which is hard to consciously perceive), the body will look for sensory information going back to the brain. If there is none, then it will do nothing.
So how to get sensory information going back to the brain and thus trick the body? The main way is to use some ongoing issue, which creates ongoing emotional reactivity. Another way is to use ideas of action of some sort. Hence if there is say sadness and grief then the person can be targeted with ideas about their bowel being guttered, for example. So the body under those conditions will build a cell barrier. All the person needs to do is to resolve the issue so the emotional reactivity ceases. No more sensory information going back to the brain. The body will then initiate a spontaneous remission. It safe, effective and free!
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For your convenience I highlighted the portions of your post that are incorrect. Feel free to review the facts at your leisure: they are indeed very interesting.

BTW: there is no doubt that cancer cells and normal cells (including immune cells) exchange signs, that tumors include populations of normal cells that have been recruited by the cancer cells, and that these interactions play important roles in the establishment and progression of cancer. They just don't do much "thinking" while doing so. And if believe you can think your way out of cancer by suppressing negative emotions- good luck to you! But I do recommend some real treatment because there are ever increasingly effective ways of treating cancer and it would be a shame to die emotionally centered but ravaged by neoplasia...
 
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Gibberish in small steps.

Dancing David said:
Sorry but my Gibberish translator is broken, care to restate your case in an actual coherent fashion?
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Well let's take some small steps, nothing too overwhelming.

First about proteins.
Proteins are large, complex molecules that do most of the work in cells and are required for the structure, function, and regulation of the body’s tissues and organs.
And just in case you think I made it up: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/howgeneswork/protein

How are proteins made?
A transcription of protein coding genes is first made to get RNA
this is carried to the ribosome where it is translated and folded to become a protein. If you want to see it here is a little video at the bottom of this page:
https://science-explained.com/theory/dna-rna-and-protein/

If you can understand thus far, I'll post the next step:)
 
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