Mueller Investigation pt5

[Ziggurat]

There are many here who are far more qualified than I to help you to remedy your ignorance of recent American history, but I'm the one you chose to ask for that help.

I'm amused that you think issuing statements and saying something to Putin constitute doing something. Expelling some diplomats is something, but not much, certainly not enough to dissuade Russia.

You know what's strangely lacking from your list? Any attempt by the Obama administration to warn the Trump campaign about Russian activities. It's almost like they weren't actually worried about the possibility of Russia affecting the election, they only wanted an opportunity to nail Trump for doing something bad.

 

[CapelDodger]

Don't worry, we're gonna find out what has been hidden on all sides.

Chris B.

Surely nothing can have remained hidden from Trump? Trump sees all. Trump knows all. Trump has already tweeted about it, so now you know all. That's the benefit of cult membership - knowing that what He says is truth.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Mueller, the FBI, and the entire DOJ believes that a sitting President can't be indicted. Barr was hired precisely because he publicly stated that Presidents are above the law. McConnell and the rest of the Republicans in the Senate wouldn't vote to remove Trump no matter how damning the evidence was. Sadly, this is the only way this was ever going to play out.

Did you survey them all?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

....

Even if there is a sliver of word-play ("totally exonerated" when the report said the opposite), use it and never give it up.

That's Trump's way and all the little Trumpies just repeat it after him.

 

[phiwum]

I'm guessing it takes time to do a proper redaction. At the very least, someone has to go through and make sure the redactions aren't reversible in the history of the public edition.

I don't think that Schumer or anyone else is trying to force the release before redactions have been made. Does the resolution Schumer want to put up for a vote give an explicit timeline with no time allotted for Justice Dept. review?

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm amused that you think issuing statements and saying something to Putin constitute doing something. Expelling some diplomats is something, but not much, certainly not enough to dissuade Russia.

You know what's strangely lacking from your list? Any attempt by the Obama administration to warn the Trump campaign about Russian activities. It's almost like they weren't actually worried about the possibility of Russia affecting the election, they only wanted an opportunity to nail Trump for doing something bad.

The Trump campaign was briefed on the situation. What didn't happen was the deep state briefing the electorate on the situation.


Apart from which, "I love it", remember that? The New York Trump Tower meeting? Doesn't sound like Fredo needed "warning" about Russian efforts on his POS father's behalf, does it?

 

[Steve]

I'm amused that you think issuing statements and saying something to Putin constitute doing something. Expelling some diplomats is something, but not much, certainly not enough to dissuade Russia.

You know what's strangely lacking from your list? Any attempt by the Obama administration to warn the Trump campaign about Russian activities. It's almost like they weren't actually worried about the possibility of Russia affecting the election, they only wanted an opportunity to nail Trump for doing something bad.

Well W D Counter did readily admit to a vast lack of expertise so it is a surprise to nobody that his list was not exhaustive. Why is he lack of that particular item any stranger than a myriad of other point's that were equally lacking ?

 

[a_unique_person]

So Trump has known about the contents of the Mueller report for many months now.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Weak sauce.

You need to provide evidence that the report is ready to be released, after all, Barr said in his letter to Congress that he would need time to go over the report with the special counsel before releasing it.

In order for McConnell to be blocking its release, you need to provide evidence that it is in the hands of the U.S. Congress and they are blocking its release.

Until then, this is nothing more than political grandstanding by Schumer.

Schumer: release the report!

McConnell: I can't, the Atty. Gen. Barr still has it.

Schumer whispers into McConnell's ear: "I know that, silly, but I gotta keep the rubes wound up."

Twisty little excuses, why am I not surprised.

It's not like McConnell couldn't have agreed to a bipartisan position with a caveat.

 

[Bogative]

Twisty little excuses, why am I not surprised.

Federal law is a twisty little excuse? Oooooookay.

It's not like McConnell couldn't have agreed to a bipartisan position with a caveat.

I would recommend waiting until he actually receives the report before demanding any caveats.

 

[CapelDodger]

Schumer knows that even if it doesn't put Trump away, his faction can still mine it for spinnable passages.

That's wonderful. The Dems are no longer a party, they're a faction, and factionalism is a threat to any nation, as everyone knows. One nation under Trump - the most popular and successful President ever - is what the people want.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm guessing it takes time to do a proper redaction. At the very least, someone has to go through and make sure the redactions aren't reversible in the history of the public edition.

Yes, a good cover-up takes time.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Brief twitter thread with screenshots of alleged texts from a journalist's "good source" re. the Mueller report

For those who don't want to fanny around with screenshots:

It's really damaging to the president. I can't answer any questions about it. But it's bad.

Re Barr's summary:

We'll have the conclusions in 30-40. Word of caution: this is NOT Mueller's report.

The report is much worse than this.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Opinion piece by Neal Katyal, the man who authored Special Counsel regulations, on why the Mueller report needs to be made public

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

JUST NOW: McConnell blocks Schumer measure calling for Mueller report to be made public​

And this is not long after a motion to make it public was passed in Congress unanimously, and Trump, Trump Jr. and Giuliani said that they wanted the report to be made public.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Just like election night, the results were fixed in Trump's favor.

 

[Galaxie]

So Trump has known about the contents of the Mueller report for many months now.

Link?

Regarding an earlier discussion in the thread: If this is true, and what Barr claims is also true, then we're back to Trump is just a dumb ass; a totally innocent dumb ass who can't help but act guilty. Yeah, right.

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm guessing it takes time to do a proper redaction. At the very least, someone has to go through and make sure the redactions aren't reversible in the history of the public edition.

The report has reached the White House. It will be leaked very shortly. Everything leaks from this White House. In that, it stands in stark contrast to the Mueller team, which did not leak at all. They were too busy being Angry and Dems.

 

[a_unique_person]

Link?



Regarding an earlier discussion in the thread: If this is true, and what Barr claims is also true, then we're back to Trump is just a dumb ass; a totally innocent dumb ass who can't help but act guilty. Yeah, right.

His "no collusion" became frequent and insistent on recent months. Just like the boast about the Hillary leaks that were imminent for release he can't stop acting out when he knows something.

 

[The_Animus]

I am not an expert on foreign policy, nor do I portray one on the Internet. I just happened to be reading through this thread, and noticed that someone posting under the Ziggurat pseudonym professed ignorance of McConnell's role in limiting the US response to Russian interference in the 2016 election. Despite my vast lack of expertise, I realized I was not so poorly informed as to be unable to assist said Ziggurat in this matter.

Unless your only alternative would be to ask your question of the current administration or to get your information from Fox News, I don't see why you'd ask me to analyze the historical situation for you and tell you the best option(s) available to Obama. Recognizing, however, that those may indeed be (in your mind) the only alternatives you have to asking me, I will tell you of a few things Obama actually did. I do not mean to suggest that the responses listed below were the best possible, but the fact that these responses were actually made serves as evidence that they were among the responses Obama could have made.

• Obama and his DNI could have offered a straightforward public acknowledgement that Russia was behind the DNC hack. That would have been (and was, because that is what they did) a lot better than saying the reporting on that hack was a hoax, as was repeatedly alleged by then-candidate Trump.
  
• Obama could have allowed the FBI to open an investigation into Russian influence leading up to the 2016 election. That would have been (and was, because that is what Obama did) a lot better than firing the FBI director because of "the Russia thing".
  
• Obama could have used the opportunity presented by a G20 meeting to tell Putin, face to face, to "cut it out". That would have been (and was, because that is what Obama did) a lot better than standing before reporters at Helsinki and responding to a question about Russian interference by saying "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be."
  
• Obama could have asked two of his highest-ranking intelligence officials to issue a statement saying "The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." That would have been (and was, because that is what Obama did) a lot better than taking Putin's side and belittling American intelligence agencies at every opportunity.
  
• Obama could have expelled 35 Russian diplomats. That would have been (and was, because that is what Obama did) at least a little bit better than resisting sanctions imposed by Congress while praising Putin.

There are many here who are far more qualified than I to help you to remedy your ignorance of recent American history, but I'm the one you chose to ask for that help.

Well said