Mueller Investigation pt5

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Segnosaur said:
Well, SOME of the things Trump gave Putin are on the record... (e.g. blocking sanctions against Russia).

That doesn't necessarily mean that ALL the things Trump gave Putin are on the record. Its possible that he's done some stuff behind the scenes to benefit Russia.
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Which only adds to what I said, BTC was wrong. Of course that's not much of a revelation.
 
Ziggurat said:
Man, you must be pissed at Obama for not doing anything.
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Belz... said:
Are you concerned in any way by those cyber-attacks?
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Ziggurat said:
Yes. And anyone else who is should be disappointed by Obama's failures in that regard.
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beren said:
For the record, are you also disappointed in McConnell's role in this?
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Ziggurat said:
I'm not familiar with McConnell's role in that, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was disappointing. So let's say that I'm provisionally disappointed in him too.
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NPR's FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?:

NPR said:
Why didn't then-President Barack Obama stop Russia's campaign of active measures against the 2016 presidential campaign?

President Trump has been casting blame on his predecessor for not acting against the scheme....

FACT CHECK: ....One basic notion that is false is the idea the Obama administration took no action — it did. The question that has been asked many times since the presidential election is why it didn't do more.

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Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Biden's telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldn't go along.
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From that last link, titled: Biden: McConnell Refused To Sign Bipartisan Statement On Russian Interference:

NPR said:
Former Vice President Joe Biden says he and President Barack Obama decided not to speak out publicly on Russian interference during the 2016 campaign after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to sign a bipartisan statement condemning the Kremlin's role.
Speaking on Tuesday at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden said the Obama administration sought a united front to dispel concerns that going public with such accusations would be seen as an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the election.

However, McConnell "wanted no part of having a bipartisan commitment....

"Can you imagine if the president called a press conference in October, with this fella, Bannon, and company, and said, 'Tell you what: Russians are trying to interfere in our elections and we have to do something about it,' " he said. "Would things have gotten better, or would it further look like we were trying to de-legitimize the electoral process, because of our opponent?"

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McConnell's office disputed Biden's account, as reported by Politico, "pointing to a letter signed by all four congressional leaders in September 2016 and sent to the president of the National Association of State Election Directors, urging cybersecurity precautions in light of reports of attempted hacking."

"That missive, however, did not address Russia specifically, or the larger topic of influence beyond voting systems," Politico writes.
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From the Politico story linked by NPR:

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday pushed back at Democratic charges that he single-handedly diluted a bipartisan push in September 2016 for states to safeguard their election systems from Russian disruption.
McConnell addressed the issue two days after Denis McDonough, who served as then-President Barack Obama's chief of staff at the time, charged that the GOP leader slow-walked bipartisan negotiations on how congressional leaders should weigh in on the threat of Moscow's cyber-meddling in the 2016 election.

McConnell told reporters that he had no regrets about the volume of the warning that state election officials received about the threat of Russian interference in 2016.

"I’m perfectly comfortable with the steps that were taken back then," he said.

McDonough offered a far different perspective on Sunday, telling "Meet the Press" that the joint statement congressional leaders issued weeks before the election "took over three weeks" to craft. "It was dramatically watered down," McDonough said, attributing the effort solely to McConnell....

Obama's aides had "asked for a letter about election security — not Russia," [McConnell spokesman Don Stewart] said by email, adding that McDonough's op-ed relates his request for "DEMOCRATS not to do a public statement about Russia during this same time period. Give me a break."
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Belz... said:
I guess he thinks it'll damage the party...
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The Mueller Report completely exonerates the president and therefore it must never be seen by the American people. At least McConnell is consistent in his goal of always putting party before country.
 
acbytesla said:
Accepting assistance from a foreign government to win an election.



There is nothing lawful about it. Conspiring to defraud the United States.
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QUICK, to the DeLorean!!!
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Travel back in time to circa 2018, head straight to the Special Counsel's office so you can inform Mueller that even with all of his experience as an US Attorney, his time in the Justice Department, his time as the US Assistant Attorney General along with the 17 other attorneys in the SCO and 40 FBI agents that they all missed what you have found.

It still may not be too late to make all your hopes and dreams of removing Trump from office come true.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
And Trump's predictable pattern continues:

Trump today: "Release the whole report."

Comes time to actually release it:

Trump: "I said to release it but all those other people say it can't be released."
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"I would release it but I'm under audit."
 
Bogative said:
Or, he could just be letting the DOJ have time to do its job???

It is fun to watch McConnell swat Schumer on the nose when he tries political grandstanding.
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If this report "exonerates" Trump, why would McConnell block its release?
 
Bob001 said:
If this report "exonerates" Trump, why would McConnell block its release?
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Because although it contains nothing indictable, it might contain plenty politically embarrassing to Trump.
But I notice all the Trumpfans who have not posted for long time coming out of the woodwork to cheer for Dear Leader.
 
Bogative said:
Or, he could just be letting the DOJ have time to do its job???
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Can you remind me again what the longstanding position the DOJ takes with regard to its job and whether the sitting President can be indicted? I know I've heard it somewhere, but for some reason I'm drawing a black on exactly what it is.
 
dudalb said:
Because although it contains nothing indictable, it might contain plenty politically embarrassing to Trump.
But I notice all the Trumpfans who have not posted for long time coming out of the woodwork to cheer for Dear Leader.
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Possible, but much more likely that Barr is waiting until he and Mueller have a chance to go through it and redact the parts that are illegal to release to the public.
 
Bogative said:
QUICK, to the DeLorean!!!
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Travel back in time to circa 2018, head straight to the Special Counsel's office so you can inform Mueller that even with all of his experience as an US Attorney, his time in the Justice Department, his time as the US Assistant Attorney General along with the 17 other attorneys in the SCO and 40 FBI agents that they all missed what you have found.

It still may not be too late to make all your hopes and dreams of removing Trump from office come true.
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You don't know what is in the report other than what Barr said was in the report.

I never thought Trump would be removed from office. I have seen how spineless and principle deficient the Republican party has become.
 
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