Mueller Investigation pt5

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Norman Alexander said:
That isn't what Mueller said. He found insufficient evidence to indict. Not the same thing.
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You are wrong. I think you need to reread the summary here before you comment any further.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706351394/read-the-justice-departments-summary-of-the-mueller-report

"the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

Chris B.
 
Belz... said:
Really? Where?

(I know you won't answer this)
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Belz... said:
Yeah but Chris is desperate for his hero to be cleared.

Sunk cost fallacy. You don't want to look like a fool, either. I don't know why it's so hard to say "woah, I thought this guy worked for regular Americans, but it turns out he's a lying criminal *******!"
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Trump has been cleared. Failure to accept the findings from this investigation is delusional.

You don't get to claim that Trump was part of any Russian collusion anymore. That ship has sunk. Have another tissue.:p

Chris B.
 
smartcooky said:
The usual rubbish from you Bogative... not reading the link you posted

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi told Democrats on Saturday she’ll rebuff any efforts by the Justice Department to reveal details of special counsel Robert Mueller's findings in a highly classified setting — a tactic she warned could be employed to shield the report's conclusions from the public."

Its pretty simple for even a foreigner like me to understand that if she accepts a classified briefing, then that gives weight to the claims that this should be classified. By not accepting the classified briefing, she is sending a clear, unequivocal message to people who are smart enough to work it out, that the whole report must be made public.

What Pelosi wants is for EVERYTHING Mueller found to be made public... anything less than that will leave the rancid stench of a cover up.
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You're typing in English, I assume you can read it as well. Read the AG's letter released today. There may be information in the report that is required by law to remain secret. It's possible that the report, in its entirety, may not be able to be made public according to federal law. Pelosi had her chance to find out, she refused.

I expect much stamping of feet and gnashing of teeth if some of it is redacted and then all the conspiracy theorists can piss and moan about a cover up, I expect nothing less.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Trump has been cleared. Failure to accept the findings from this investigation is delusional.

You don't get to claim that Trump was part of any Russian collusion anymore. That ship has sunk. Have another tissue.:p

Chris B.
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Not charging him is not the same as clearing him. I DON'T think ANYONE thought he would be indicted by his own justice department.
 
Drysdale said:
And now the cries for obstruction. Obstruction of what and how?
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I'm wondering if this question means that you haven't seen the evidence for obstruction that the rest of us have seen repeatedly, or if you don't care.

Hillary freaking lost. Get over it.
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And this reveals quite a bit about you, moreso than about the people you're addressing. That you see this as a Trump-vs-Hillary, left-vs-right, Dem-vs-Rep shows how completely beyond logic and evidence you are.
 
Ziggurat said:
Trump can't be cleared of any charges because there were never any actual charges leveled against him.
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Indeed, which makes the post I was responding to ridiculous.

Nor will there be.
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Probably, but it's a bit early to say, still.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
Trump has been cleared.
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Called it. I knew you wouldn't answer me. I asked you where he's been cleared. You can't even answer because you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
quadraginta said:
What charges?

When was he ever charged for that?
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He was charged with Russian collusion daily on every Liberal news channel and by multiple Democrats. Many of those Democrats even claimed there was evidence of Russian collusion. Where were you? You never saw any of that?

Chris B.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh there will be, it just won't be for anything to do with Russia's hacking of the 2016 election.

Individual-1 has not been cleared of his crimes
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I doubt he'll be charged for the Stormy payments, and if he is, he'll win, just like John Edwards did. But he might get hit for some financial thing unconnected to the election or his presidency, I can't rule that out.
 
Ziggurat said:
I doubt he'll be charged for the Stormy payments, and if he is, he'll win, just like John Edwards did. But he might get hit for some financial thing unconnected to the election or his presidency, I can't rule that out.
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Personally I don't think Trump conspired with the Russians beyond helping them launder money. But given how he's ignored the law his own life, I do hope they'll get him on something fraud- or finance-related once he leaves office, which can't come quickly enough. (D) or (R), we need to get back to sane politics.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That isn't what Mueller said. He found insufficient evidence to indict. Not the same thing.
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First off, Mueller isn't talking about his final report.

In regards to the indictments which have already been filed, you're half right. Mueller didn't say that no Americans were colluding with Russia. But he DID say that his indictments do not accuse anyone of colluding with Russia. Your statement indicates that there is evidence of collusion just not enough, and Mueller has never said that publicly. We do not know if such a claim is contained within his report.
 
Belz... said:
Personally I don't think Trump conspired with the Russians beyond helping them launder money. But given how he's ignored the law his own life, I do hope they'll get him on something fraud- or finance-related once he leaves office, which can't come quickly enough. (D) or (R), we need to get back to sane politics.
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I don't much care about what happens to Trump after he leaves office. But I care very much that absent any truly explosive revelations (which there are no indications of to date), he not be removed from office by any means other than either electoral defeat in 2020 or the end of a second term in 2024. Sanity won't return if Trump voters believe that the system was rigged to overturn their choice.
 
Ziggurat said:
I care very much that absent any truly explosive revelations (which there are no indications of to date), he not be removed from office by any means other than either electoral defeat in 2020 or the end of a second term in 2024. Sanity won't return if Trump voters believe that the system was rigged to overturn their choice.
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Agreed.
 
Belz... said:
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Called it. I knew you wouldn't answer me. I asked you where he's been cleared. You can't even answer because you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Hostile aren't we? I find it useless to converse with someone who cannot debate a topic without resorting to pettiness and insults. If your position is so weak it cannot withstand civil discussion, perhaps you should rethink where you are.

Chris B.
 
For those who oppose Trump's policies and, more importantly, his anti-democratic leanings, Barr's summary of Mueller's report is horrible news. I nearly got a return of the pit-of-my-stomach feeling I had when Trump won on election night after I had 5 minutes to process Barr's letter.

Barr's letter will be used to cast doubt on all the other investigations, and such doubt has important influence on politics and the juries who would ultimately decide about those investigations.

It will even negatively influence any Congressional investigation into whether Barr's summary, and Barr's brief stewardship of the DOJ while Mueller was finishing up, was proper.

Only in the amazing circumstance that Trump is as innocent as the freshly-driven snow would today not be a catastrophe for regaining control of our democracy. Good luck, we're gonna need it.
 
Ziggurat said:
I don't much care about what happens to Trump after he leaves office. But I care very much that absent any truly explosive revelations (which there are no indications of to date), he not be removed from office by any means other than either electoral defeat in 2020 or the end of a second term in 2024. Sanity won't return if Trump voters believe that the system was rigged to overturn their choice.
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Unbelievably, this leads to a silver lining to today's dark cloud. The extent that trumpistas accept the Mueller report is the extent to which they cannot claim that the deep state fudged the 2020 elections.
 
Horatius said:
Yeah, I have to wonder if all the people crowing about "No Collusion!" today will bother to admit that the whole "Deep State Partisan With Hunt" line was also complete BS.
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Based on past performance, bet no.

They have yet to admit that Trump was full of it in the runup to the election when he drove the country crazy beating on his Acme Fixed-Election Drum.

They have scrupulously avoided explaining how an election-fixing, frameup-manufacturing Deep State would have allowed the likes of Trump to soil the carpet of the Oval Office.
 
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