If a person used fraudulent means to become the most powerful man in the world then I would consider such a person the world's greatest fraud.
Mueller Investigation pt5
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If a person used fraudulent means to become the most powerful man in the world then I would consider such a person the world's greatest fraud.
Toontown
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Thanks. Fixed it. My acronyms were askew. Also fixed another error.
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Cain
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Sure, but he's chosen not to indict Don Jr., the guy who played a central role in the infamous Tower meeting. Steve Bannon(!) lost his job at Breitbart for initially calling Jr.'s actions "treasonous."
CapelDodger
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By any measure, seventeen centuries of the Catholic Church takes some beating.
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AlaskaBushPilot
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Independents like me try to read the tea leaves, being neither democrats or republicans nor Trump/Anti-Trump cultists.
The first response of the democrats is a bizarre nonsequitor that claims the Justice department concluded it could not indict a sitting president. So they are covering up his crimes. That isn't right. Being whistleblowers, they're going to fight to make this report public just as soon as Wikileaks publishes it unredacted, I guess. Trump already said he is fine releasing it, I would hope through Wikileaks with the pardon of Assange announced simultaneously. One can dream.
From a political theater perspective, this answers my question tho. They still cling in desperation to narrative control, they're going to triple-down on Saul Alinsky shrieking about Trump doing what they did with Uranium 1, the Russian Re-set, the Ukrainians who have been convicted of election tampering already, for the Democrats...
Looking to 2020, the Dems still have no answer to Trump. By virtue of precedent he is much more powerful than the constitution provided, essentially usurping the power of a Treaty, and that's what these trade deals amount to.
If Trump sends us down the road of Smoot-Hawley then it will be a depression. If he is successful, we do better. I have no idea how to call this, but it was two years between Hoover Signing Smoot-Hawley and world trade contracting by 65%.
Maybe it could go the other way and Trump retires the greatest president who ever lived. I know most here are hoping for something like that.
The first response of the democrats is a bizarre nonsequitor that claims the Justice department concluded it could not indict a sitting president. So they are covering up his crimes. That isn't right. Being whistleblowers, they're going to fight to make this report public just as soon as Wikileaks publishes it unredacted, I guess. Trump already said he is fine releasing it, I would hope through Wikileaks with the pardon of Assange announced simultaneously. One can dream.
From a political theater perspective, this answers my question tho. They still cling in desperation to narrative control, they're going to triple-down on Saul Alinsky shrieking about Trump doing what they did with Uranium 1, the Russian Re-set, the Ukrainians who have been convicted of election tampering already, for the Democrats...
Looking to 2020, the Dems still have no answer to Trump. By virtue of precedent he is much more powerful than the constitution provided, essentially usurping the power of a Treaty, and that's what these trade deals amount to.
If Trump sends us down the road of Smoot-Hawley then it will be a depression. If he is successful, we do better. I have no idea how to call this, but it was two years between Hoover Signing Smoot-Hawley and world trade contracting by 65%.
Maybe it could go the other way and Trump retires the greatest president who ever lived. I know most here are hoping for something like that.
AnonyMoose
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For all we know, maybe Mueller is aware of what else might be coming down the pipeline with regards to other ongoing investigations on the Trump clan.
Maybe an indictment for Russian collusion would have been a really hard thing to try stick to these people, thus a potential waste of time. Maybe Mueller handed over pertinent information to the FBI/SDNY that he's uncovered in his own investigation. Thus, maybe the other ongoing investigations will be able to hammer them harder with other types of crimes (fraud or tax evasion or money laundering or whatever).
Just a wild guess on my part... and perhaps a wee bit of wishful thinking too? But right now, I find it very hard to believe that the Trump clan is going to walk away from all of this scott-free.
Something is going to reveal their dirty grifting. It's just a matter time, from which investigation, and what type of crimes will be uncovered.
Skeptic Ginger
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If you repeat the "no collusion" lie often enough, all that evidence already uncovered and used to convict some of Trump's top team will fade until it disappears from your mind.
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Aridas
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...Where have you been? The Justice department repeatedly and specifically said that they wouldn't be indicting a sitting President from the start. There was hopefulness that they would do so in the end, but no expectation of such. That doesn't lead to a nonsequitur at all.
Not exactly. If Barr refuses to release the report and associated documentation in full to the appropriate members of Congress, at the least, that likely could be a cover up. The lack of new indictments from Mueller himself is pretty much meaningless before the reasoning addressing a bunch of things that should be present in the Mueller Report is examined.
The citizens of the US needed and deserved a proper investigation into the matter. Along with that the citizens of the US need and deserve fairly proper answers in the first place. As it stands, we have yet to be informed of... anything regarding Mueller's final report, much less getting proper answers or seeing how things end up with the current ongoing prosecutions, like Stone's.
Maaaaan. Get a grip. Seriously, it's much, much too soon to jump to conclusions like that, before even getting to the... distinct inaccuracy of your accusations towards the Democrats.
Just like 2018's overwhelming Red Wave? Not sure where you're looking, either way.
Relax. Take a deep breath. Read a good story and/or watch a movie you think you'll like. Twisting yourself into a pretzel completely pointlessly isn't going to help anyone, especially yourself.
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Childlike Empress
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You're projecting, buddy. What I liked about your post is the one sentence that dripped out in pink. Makes it more in line with the immediate upthread posts and the general mood following this blow to tinfoil pussyhat-dom.
Stacyhs
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James O'Keefe? The idiot who makes those set-up, fake videos designed to create outrage against the "lefties"?
Venom
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Because Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski are all about political point scoring now. To them any investigation against anything to do with Russia (or for any other foreign power that is generally considered an adversary to the U.S. for that matter, but not Israel or S.A.) as beating the war drum.
The revelations of the summary of the Mueller report don't refute that Russia tried to interfere and that they should be called out on it, at the least.
They are so Puritanically anti-interventionist that they won't even allow criticism of an authoritarian regime who's attacked us, so why take them seriously anymore.
Cain
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Unlikely. It seems as though this is going to castrate any future attempt to charge Jr. (or anyone else) of conspiracy/collusion.
Sure. Maybe Mueller believes collusion was more likely than than not, but lacks the evidence necessary to ensure a successful prosecution. However, that's a loser argument as far as the public is concerned.
There was significant circumstantial evidence that Lance Armstrong cheated. Few people believed it.
Not pursuing collusion lets Trump off the hook on these other things. "They lost the election so they had a Special Counsel investigation. That turned up bupkis*, so they're launching yet another investigation. They'll do anything to derail my presidency rather than maintain this great economy, protect our borders, and secure lasting peace with N. Korea."
*It remains to be seen what is actually in Mueller's report. Trump is dirtier than a city dump, so I'd only be surprised if he emerged from it pristine.
Mumbles
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Despite my disgust, my operating principle has always been "vote him out". It's plain since their convention that Dolt 45 is a symptom of the GOP's corruption and bigotry (and not even the worst actor - that's Mitch McConnell), rather than a cause. But...
That's been their policy for quite a long time now - the DoJ works for the president, although only a laughably corrupt president would interfere with DoJ business directly (so, of course Dolt 45 does, and then says so flat-out on national tv - and in order to interfere with a criminal investigation, at that). This is why I haven't commented on Mueller much since he was appointed.
"Bizzarre nonsequitor"...
The man's a career criminal, DoJ can't cover that up.
Why would either do that? Both are plainly pro-GOP, and have been for nearly a decade.
You're about as accurate as someone who reads tea leaves, I'll give you that.
The above is incoherent.
Yes, the primaries have not happened yet...
This is true, actually. Congress has been giving up power to the executive branch for far too long now - it's past time they take some back. And yes, I've said this during the Obama and GWB administrations as well.
Given that he's an abject failure at business, no.
He's already done enough to earn himself a trial at the Hague for ethnic cleansing, in addition to numerous constitutional violations, aiding a foreign power in the murder and dissolving of a journalist, and openly and willfully failing to provide disaster relief to a US territory, so that's out. He's fighting not to be the single worst president in US history, at this point.
That's been their policy for quite a long time now - the DoJ works for the president, although only a laughably corrupt president would interfere with DoJ business directly (so, of course Dolt 45 does, and then says so flat-out on national tv - and in order to interfere with a criminal investigation, at that). This is why I haven't commented on Mueller much since he was appointed.
"Bizzarre nonsequitor"...
The man's a career criminal, DoJ can't cover that up.
Why would either do that? Both are plainly pro-GOP, and have been for nearly a decade.
You're about as accurate as someone who reads tea leaves, I'll give you that.
The above is incoherent.
Yes, the primaries have not happened yet...
This is true, actually. Congress has been giving up power to the executive branch for far too long now - it's past time they take some back. And yes, I've said this during the Obama and GWB administrations as well.
Given that he's an abject failure at business, no.
He's already done enough to earn himself a trial at the Hague for ethnic cleansing, in addition to numerous constitutional violations, aiding a foreign power in the murder and dissolving of a journalist, and openly and willfully failing to provide disaster relief to a US territory, so that's out. He's fighting not to be the single worst president in US history, at this point.
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Skeptic Ginger
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Ideally, vote him out because you can take half those crazy Trump legislators out with him.
The Great Zaganza
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Given the deafening silence I assume that Mueller has a case for Obstruction - and they are trying to figure out what to do about it.
Norman Alexander
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Nor his hair, nor his body type. Garrison likes to portray Trump as a buff blonde surfer-type. Says a lot more about Garrison than Trump.Ben Garrison can't even get Trump's tie right.
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