Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[Vixen]

Someone seems to have jumped the gun., the legislation is very clear that at the moment we leave the EU on 29th March.

They will have to pass legislation ('a special instrument') pretty sharpish in parliament to amend it to 12 April in line with the EU edict.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Speaking of failure. What's the latest on Farage's 'Trail if Jeers', anyone left?

 

[Vixen]

Theresa May’s career is over and her party is probably finished too. She might as well throw herself on the grenade.

She has. She said she is going to present the same deal again and she will not be asking for any further extension. As Lord Adonis remarked - who will be persuading the House of Lords to revoke Art 50 - 'She has just talked herself out of a job'.

 

[Vixen]

It's worse than that, she called a General Election after triggering Article 50. On top of that, Brexit didn't even feature much as a topic of debate during the campaign.

It left her with a minority government and it has struggled ever since to pass anything.

 

[Vixen]

EU agreed extension to 22nd May if MPs agree next week to PM May's deal. Otherwise extension to 12th April to come up with something else.

The EU want May's deal because of all the options at the moment it is the best deal for them. No deal is bad and the EU do not want the UK to get more time to try and negotiate a deal that is better for the UK as, obviously, the EU wants it to be worse not being in the EU than being in the EU.

The EU want May's deal because it dictated it to her.

Note she rants about UK MP's but no word of criticism about the EU.

 

[The Don]

The petition is currently at 2.6 million, it grew by 2 million in 24 hours. At this rate it's believable the Parliament will be facing five million signatures next week.
You can't ignore this and rant about "will of the people". You have to choose, it's one or the other.

McHrozni

Unfortunately for Remoaners like me, the will of the people applied on exactly one day only.

A narrow majority for a poorly defined outcome is somehow inviolable

 

[Vixen]

it's not negotiating that the UK is doing - it's holding its breath until it gets another sweetie.
Why do 27 other countries have to give in, when they have nothing to gain?

To show magnanimity. Also, the Dutch government says it is set to lose €'ms at its ports if the UK crashes out.

 

[Vixen]

The UK ruling class is more used to bullying that negotiating to their their way. The UK had already extracted numerous concessions for being in the EU, such as the rebate, not in Schengen, not in the Euro etc etc.

The MPs are now learning the hard way that they cannot bully any more and May's deal is crap because we cannot bully benefits for UK any more.

The rest of the MPs are deluded to think that they can do any better, especially when they cannot agree a consensus.

If we do leave with no deal, we then have to negotiate a new deal (a point missed by many) which we will likely loose as our position is going to be far weaker than the EU's.

True. The UK seems to have very much had a Basil Fawlty-type attitude towards the EU.

 

[Vixen]

The longer the negotiations go on for, the weaker the UK becomes, as the present splits will worsen as the Independent Group grows larger and the Tories and Labour fracture. Pressure will also grow on tired MPs to get on with other business.

The present petition to scrap brexit, which is not being matched by one to keep going and the farce that was Farages march for brexit, shows support for leaving is draining away rapidly.

Cancelling brexit is the lifeboat presently floating past Parliament.

What is needed are the 'men in grey suits' to turn up at no. 10 Downing Street, cart off May Thatcher-style, and put in place a proper leadership to take control of the runaway cart, all wheels flying off.

 

[Vixen]

One of the Tory politicians said yesterday when the signatures were under a million that they would only pay attention to it after there were 17.4m signatures.



The point is to provide a counter-narrative to the "will of the people".

That was the idiot Leadsom.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

To show magnanimity. Also, the Dutch government says it is set to lose €'ms at its ports if the UK crashes out.

It was magnanimous to negotiate with the UK at all, given that it didn't have a plan with a political majority in the first place.

 

[The Don]

Speaking of failure. What's the latest on Farage's 'Trail if Jeers', anyone left?

Against all expectations it has become a national cause célèbre with numbers and support swelling exponentially. It's like the Jarrow March all over again except better organised and with far greater numbers.

Yesterday the number of marchers grew to over 3 million demonstrating that Brexit, and especially a no deal Brexit has far more support than Remain which has managed only to get a paltry 2 million or so signatures on an online petition.

The enthusiasm of the support and the sheer numbers involved means that Nigel Farage's march is the single largest public movement the country has ever known.

It's expected that the numbers will grow to well over 10 million by the time that the march reaches the capital demonstrating once and for all the enthusiasm that the UK population have for Brexit and for their natural leader, Nigel Farage.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Against all expectations it has become a national cause célèbre with numbers and support swelling exponentially. It's like the Jarrow March all over again except better organised and with far greater numbers.

Yesterday the number of marchers grew to over 3 million demonstrating that Brexit, and especially a no deal Brexit has far more support than Remain which has managed only to get a paltry 2 million or so signatures on an online petition.

The enthusiasm of the support and the sheer numbers involved means that Nigel Farage's march is the single largest public movement the country has ever known.

It's expected that the numbers will grow to well over 10 million by the time that the march reaches the capital demonstrating once and for all the enthusiasm that the UK population have for Brexit and for their natural leader, Nigel Farage.

any links for that?

 

[The Don]

What is needed are the 'men in grey suits' to turn up at no. 10 Downing Street, cart off May Thatcher-style, and put in place a proper leadership to take control of the runaway cart, all wheels flying off.

Instead, what we're likely to get is one or more of BoJo, Gove and JRM driving up in their clown car and ensuring that the cart flies off the cliff.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

A narrow majority for a poorly defined outcome is somehow inviolable

This is the thing that I've found the most confusing. There are politicians who are of the opinion that we should leave. Them I understand pushing for it. But May was a Remainer or, at least, flexible enough on the issue that she advocated for remaining. So why is she so gung-ho now? Is it simply that she thought that was the way that the political winds were blowing and now she's backed herself into a position that she can't climb down from?

 

[Dave Rogers]

any links for that?

How dare you even ask. You're just part of Project Fear.

Dave

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

That was the idiot Leadsom.

That's right. Thanks.

 

[The Don]

any links for that?

Sure, here you go.

It's a spectacular demonstration of the UK's enthusiasm for Brexit - one for the ages.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ge-leave-means-leave-no-deal-eu-a8831551.html

Most people here feel they are making history, that they are taking part in something which will be talked about, glowingly, for centuries to come

 

[McHrozni]

Unfortunately for Remoaners like me, the will of the people applied on exactly one day only.

A narrow majority for a poorly defined outcome is somehow inviolable

The petition to revoke article 50 is at 2.9 million now. Previous record was 1.6 million.

Plenty of MPs probably agree with the petition, there may well be 4-5 million by the time Parliament sits again next week. This is quite strong incentive to listen to it, I think. Parliament doesn't need to revoke article 50, it needs to do something and that something might be a referendum. These signatures can but help.

McHrozni

 

[Wudang]

Liked this. For those unfamiliar with the works of the great Bernard Cribbens this is the the tune it's set to:

I'd like to share this if I may. Did you write it? Brilliant.