Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[crescent]

It's back up and currently at about 1,201,000 signatures after a day. For context, a similar partition calling for no-deal that's been going for five months or so and has 375,000 signatures (that's rounding up btw).

I guess there was one in 2016 that called for a second vote on Brexit if the first vote didn't get a supermajority either way - that one got more than 4 million votes.

I have a feeling that the petition won't change anything.

I also have a feeling that in about 10 years time, a great many British politicians will either be untruthfully denying that they ever voted for Brexit, of spinning like mad to explain away the vote.

The petition is up to 1.25 million and adding votes fast. I have heard that one of the previous petitions was plagued by bots and non-British people making fraudulent votes. I wonder if that is happening again or if the process has been changed somehow to prevent that.


ETA: Seems to be down again. I get a "502 Bad Gateway"

 

[quadraginta]

This was the will of the people who voted to Leave remember.

They want to take it out on the ones who already left?

 

[Information Analyst]

On the BBC News just now, in introducing Bob Blackman MP (Con), it was said that he, "represents Harrow East; he voted to Leave originally, and has recently come round to backing [May's] deal." Absent was any mention of the fact that 52.52% of his constituents backed Remain (54.6% in Harrow as a whole). In contrast, Jim Fitzpatrick MP (Lab) was merely described as someone who had previously opposed May's deal, but now supported it. There was no mention that an estimated 65.79% of his constituents voted Remain.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I should have prefaced my post with: I am not keeping up enough with this and have likely missed a lot of posts on this subject so, I'm asking a really basic question, not a philosophical one.

A sane PM?

The PM could do this unilaterally?

If so, I can actually see her doing so at the last possible minute, having exhausted all alternatives and in line with the parliamentary mandate to not have a no-deal exit. But as you point out, that would imply a certain level of sanity.

An opposition that's looking out for the country, not it's own interests?

Does this mean that the parliament could do so? I don't see that happening at all.

Intervention by Cthulu?

So, there is hope?

 

[Dr. Keith]

On the BBC News just now, in introducing Bob Blackman MP (Con), it was said that he, "represents Harrow East; he voted to leave originally, and has recently come round to backing [May's] deal." Absent was any mention of the fact that 52.52% of his constituents backed Remain (54.6% in Harrow as a whole). In contrast, Jim Fitzpatrick MP (Lab) was merely described as someone who had previously opposed May's deal, but now supported it. There was no mention that an estimated 65.79% of his constituents voted Remain.

Do they have no concerns about being reelected?

I really see this being a single issue that could ruin careers in any near future elections.

 

[Information Analyst]

Do they have no concerns about being reelected?

I really see this being a single issue that could ruin careers in any near future elections.

You would think so. Meanwhile, the BBC's has and apparent constant need to identify whichever (usually Labour) Remain-supporting MPs represents a Leave majority constituency....

 

[quadraginta]

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Yeah, yeah. That's what they all say.

 

[3point14]

Do they have no concerns about being reelected?

I really see this being a single issue that could ruin careers in any near future elections.

You wait till they see the march on Saturday.

I suspect many politicians will start to be a little more concerned for their seats.


I also suspect that if either of the two major parties simply plonk down the same candidate in the same constituency like they do every time, they'll be in for a very rude awakening.

Whatever happens next, I'd be surprised if the next election didn't produce more new MPs than any for quite some time.

 

[The Don]

Jeremy Corbyn is as deluded as usual...

Workers and businesses are rightly calling for Theresa May to change her approach to Brexit.

Labour's alternative plan would protect jobs, the economy and living standards. It could win the support of parliament and the EU, and bring the country together

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/st...uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47614151

....which ignores the fact that Corbyn's chosen version of Brexit is just fantastical as the "unicorns and rainbows" Brexit proposed by the ERG.

 

[The Don]

As usual the Daily Express seems to be living in a different world:

One EU diplomat has conceded the unity of the EU27 has started to disintegrate for the first time in the Brexit negotiations

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Joe/stat...uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47614151

 

[Vixen]

The speaker has ruled that is the case but there are several "outs" available to the government which would allow them to bring the deal back for a vote including

- Voting to overrule the speaker
- Asking the queen to close the current session of parliament

Even if the Speaker is overruled, she still won't get the vote through. Nigel Dodds has said quite plainly the DUP will not vote for May's deal. She will still be short of votes.

Even if the government applies to prorogue parliament in order to open a new session (in order to bring May's deal afresh) she STILL WILL NOT GET THE NECESSARY MAJORITY.

Bloody MP's. It's all their fault.

 

[Vixen]

What are the avenues or mechanisms for rescinding A50?

Has to be triggered by either a referendum or a general election, according to its author.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Even if the Speaker is overruled, she still won't get the vote through. Nigel Dodds has said quite plainly the DUP will not vote for May's deal. She will still be short of votes.

Even if the government applies to prorogue parliament in order to open a new session (in order to bring May's deal afresh) she STILL WILL NOT GET THE NECESSARY MAJORITY.

Bloody MP's. It's all their fault.

But she could rack up more record setting defeats. That has to be worth something.

 

[dudalb]

Is there no consideration given to the possible benefits of meeting with each of the listed parties?

He may consider that the possible benefit of meeting with Umunna is not worth it but that holding his nose and talking to the other listed parties might save lives.

SOmehow I doubt talking with ISIS is going to save lives.

 

[jimbob]

Say what you like about the "United" Kingdom, but there's a reason why "cockup" is a British phrase.

America - you have a long way to go to get as dysfunctional as the UK.

 

[crescent]

America - you have a long way to go to get as dysfunctional as the UK.

Is that a challenge?

Because if you want to make it a competition, we Yanks might just give you Limeys a run for the money.

Which is probably more depressing than funny....

 

[GnaGnaMan]

In a way, you could say that Brexit and my father’s election are one and the same
-Donald Trump Jr

 

[3point14]

SOmehow I doubt talking with ISIS is going to save lives.

Talking to the IRA saved lives.

 

[Information Analyst]

Finally managed to authenticate signing the petition, as #1,411,868.

 

[jimbob]

Is that a challenge?

Because if you want to make it a competition, we Yanks might just give you Limeys a run for the money.

Which is probably more depressing than funny....

There was the joke that in this competition, Britain took an early lead with Brexit, but America played its Trump