Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

banquetbear said:
...New Zealand isn't "civilised?"

Which country is holding people in indefinitely in off-shore detention centres again? Are Indigenous Australians still the most incarcerated people on Earth?

New Zealand won't be "uncivilized" if we choose not to indulge a random internet's poster's desire that we spend millions of dollars doing something that will do jack-**** to stop the rise of white supremacy. You are in no position to be lecturing us on what it means to be "civilised". Clean up your own backyard first.
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:D

Well done. I can’t lecture NZ, but you can lecture Australia.

Unless you have recently purchased this forum, I will continue to call out NZ’s stupid gun laws and stupid airport security.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
NZ has stricter gun laws than the US. I guess it's a matter of opinion but here in the US it already seems rather strict to most gun owners. Of course criminals don't mind since they never abide by those laws anyway.

Chris B.
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NZ doesn't have any constitutional right to arms, though, so we will have no trouble enacting much tougher laws.

There's a lot of apathy in what happened - our previous mass shooting was in 1990 and new laws were enacted. With no further attacks in all that time, everyone had congratulated themselves that it worked.

They were wrong.

lionking said:
Civilised countries can do both.
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For god's sake can we get this subject over.

Aside from having nothing to do with the terrorist, airport security in NZ looks to be identical to that in Scotland. Small planes on regional runs aren't seen as a threat.

I wouldn't call Scotland uncivilised, unlike their southern neighbours.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yet you cannot control the minds of evil people. You'll find if someone wants to kill someone else, they'll simply make use of the nearest tool available, legal or not. Evil people don't tend to follow laws. Punishing law abiding citizens is not the answer. Reinstating the death penalty for murder would be a more realistic approach.
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History shows that capital punishment has very little effect on deterring murderers, especially "evil" ones.
 
lionking said:
:D
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...smiley face. In thread about a massacre. Classy.

Well done. I can’t lecture NZ, but you can lecture Australia.
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I'm "lecturing you" because you are "lecturing us."

Unless you have recently purchased this forum, I will continue to call out NZ’s stupid gun laws and stupid airport security.
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Unless you've recently purchased this forum, I'll continue to respond to your ill-informed, fact-free, emotional poorly argued irrelevant opinions. I couldn't imagine myself jumping into a thread about the Port Arthur Massacre and behaving the way you are behaving here: especially when events are just over a day old. The nation is in ******* mourning. Give us a ******* break, will you?
 
Purportedly at an event today where Fraser Anning, surrounded by some fellow Nazis, was giving more Muslim-blaming statements to the press about the Christchurch attacks, a boy who somehow managed to sneak into the event and got right up next to him cracked an egg over Anning's head, which the Senator did not like at all.

Of course the boy was afterwards tackled and abused by Anning's Nazi friends like he was some kind of presidential assassin; but police quickly arrived and removed him from the premises, then released him without charge.

As there are complaints that Nazi-face-punching is too "violent", I propose this entertaining and non-violent alternative. Perhaps it can become a "meme".
 
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Checkmite said:
Purportedly at an event today where Fraser Anning, surrounded by some fellow Nazis, was giving more Muslim-blaming statements to the press about the Christchurch attacks, a boy who somehow managed to sneak into the event and got right up next to him cracked an egg over Anning's head, which the Senator did not like at all.

Of course the boy was afterwards tackled and abused by Anning's Nazi friends like he was some kind of presidential assassin; but police quickly arrived and removed him from the premises, then released him without charge.
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I'd been fortunate enough to never have heard of him till yesterday.

Has to be one of the most **** about face logic dudes ever to walk the planet.

Annoyingly this event gives the bloke unwarranted oxygen
 
banquetbear said:
...smiley face. In thread about a massacre. Classy.



I'm "lecturing you" because you are "lecturing us."



Unless you've recently purchased this forum, I'll continue to respond to your ill-informed, fact-free, emotional poorly argued irrelevant opinions. I couldn't imagine myself jumping into a thread about the Port Arthur Massacre and behaving the way you are behaving here: especially when events are just over a day old. The nation is in ******* mourning. Give us a ******* break, will you?
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What is wrong with my opinion that NZ should restrict firearms like those used in this massacre?
 
PhantomWolf said:
I think that from the current information available, the two major things we need to look at in our gun laws are...

1) What more information should we be gathering and giving consideration before the issuing of any gun licences?
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Is there currently any input from the applicant's GP? That came in in the UK after Dunblane.

2) Should single shot weapons that can be converted from single shot to semi-automatic relatively easily, be considered to be of the same class as their semi-auto counterparts?
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This is what UK legislation does, notwithstanding the fact that semi-autos larger than .22 LR are pretty much banned, anyway. Straight-pull versions or conversions of larger calibre semi-autos have to be effectively irreversible.
 
I think the obvious thing to do is record all (legal) gun sales against the licence holder. Type, number etc

So if someone say buys 5 dodgy looking ones it gets noticed.

Same for ammo

Add a social media check to the referee checks to get the licence in the first place would be pretty easy.

Yes I know there are lots of farmers/hunters who already have guns that will be missed, but you have to start somewhere
 
lionking said:
What is wrong with my opinion that NZ should restrict firearms like those used in this massacre?
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...you mean your opinion that unless we upgrade the Chathams Island airport NZ isn't a civilised nation?

I don't think I've heard a single Kiwi express the opinion that NZ shouldn't make changes to their firearms laws in the wake of what happened yesterday. From the Prime Minister to the police, from the local gun lobby to hunters: nearly everybody is unanimous that things will have to change. So who are your many-lectures in this thread addressed to exactly? And who said your opinion is wrong?
 
banquetbear said:
...you mean your opinion that unless we upgrade the Chathams Island airport NZ isn't a civilised nation?

I don't think I've heard a single Kiwi express the opinion that NZ shouldn't make changes to their firearms laws in the wake of what happened yesterday. From the Prime Minister to the police, from the local gun lobby to hunters: nearly everybody is unanimous that things will have to change. So who are your many-lectures in this thread addressed to exactly? And who said your opinion is wrong?
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Oh come off it. My main point is and always has been that NZ should change firearm laws. I can’t help it if you fixate on my other (quite sensible) opinion that NZ should join the rest of the world on airport security.
 
BobTheCoward said:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...a-off-air-over-christchurch-massacre-coverage



The police should have better things to do than stopping the dissemination of facts and data.
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And then Australia went and did this

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/a...teur-milo-yiannopoulos-over-massacre-comments

SYDNEY (AFP) - Australia has denied a visa to right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos after he responded to the mosque massacre in New Zealand by branding Islam "barbaric" and "alien", officials said on Saturday (March 16).

"Milo Yiannopoulos will not be allowed to enter Australia for his proposed tour this year," Immigration Minister David Coleman said in a statement.

"Mr Yiannopoulos' comments on social media regarding the Christchurch terror attack are appalling and foment hatred and division," he said.
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There seems to be a pattern here that some resources need to be devoted to policing speech.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I didn't have an opinion with the airport. I asked people what evidence they had to think the strategy was a good idea.
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Don't get me wrong. A lot of people probably share your anger some where in other countries.


As you have pointed out it might have been over kill
 
Several off topic posts moved to AAH.
Please keep to the topic of the thread, which is not, inter alia, capital punishment, Aus/NZ rivalry or each other.

Thank you.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin
 
cullennz said:
Don't get me wrong. A lot of people probably share your anger some where in other countries.


As you have pointed out it might have been over kill
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No anger. Asking someone why they think something doesn't come from a place of anger. Just applying our skepticism toolbox.
 
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