Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

PhantomWolf said:
You are misinterpreting his words. He was claiming out that nowhere in the world is safe from Islamic invaders, even New Zealand, not that New Zealand was not safe from terrorists. Unless you are going to claim that Islamic refugees into NZ are invaders and terrorists, or that we should be expected a bunch of Rightwing terrorists coming to attack our regional flights to "bring attention to the Muslim problem" then the quote you give is meaningless in the context of the topic.
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Yeah, I’d somehow conflated it with the previous comment to that quote in the article,
But I soon found out that New Zealand was as a target rich of an environment [sic] as anywhere else in the West,” the 28-year-old personal trainer wrote in his screed titled, “The Great Replacement.”​
 
Martin Bryant obtained his guns legally. So too did Tarrant, or so says the PM.

Australia banned semi-automatics and brought in other restrictions. Over to you NZ.
 
The Atheist said:
The radar was clearly pointed the wrong way.

I repeat, this bloke was kicked off Megaupload ten years ago. He had miles of history, but the GCSB, the AFP, the ASIS, the NZSIS & NZP were all busy watching guys like Mark Taylor.

I genuinely think they were all patting themselves on the back that there hadn't been any muslim extremist attacks they never even considered the other side. Every time an Ariana Grande concert got whacked or a Guardsman killed, they were reinforced in their thinking they were watching the right threat.

They were wrong.
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Very similar to the situation in Norway before the Utøya massacre: They were focussed on Al-Qaeda and neglected the actual threat from homegrown right-wing extremists.
 
Interesting how every thread on right-wing terrorism turns into a thread on gun control and mental health.

For some reason that does not seem to happen when it's a muslim pulling the trigger.
 
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Lambchops said:
Interesting how every thread on right-wing terrorism turns into a thread on gun control.

For some reason that does not seem to happen when it's a muslim pulling the trigger.
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That's because Muslim terrorists are more likely to blow something up or drive a truck through crowds.

Chris B.
 
lionking said:
Martin Bryant obtained his guns legally. So too did Tarrant, or so says the PM.

Australia banned semi-automatics and brought in other restrictions. Over to you NZ.
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Jacinda and the A-G have already signalled it, and I don't think there would be any opposition at all in Parliament, so you can bet that's going to happen, and fast.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
Strict gun laws failed to protect citizens once again. Anyone surprised?

Chris B.
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Except they aren't.

It's so easy to get guns legally in NZ that a TV crew upset the pigs mightily a year or so when a journalist ordered a rifle online and never had any paperwork to show she was allowed to. I'm pretty sure she just ticked a box to say she was legally entitled to own it and off it went.

The cops closed that loophole, but it's still very simple to get guns in NZ.

dann said:
Very similar to the situation in Norway before the Utøya massacre: They were focussed on Al-Qaeda and neglected the actual threat from homegrown right-wing extremists.
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Yes, I keep being struck at the similarities between the two.

Hopefully, we don't make that mistake twice.
 
The Atheist said:
Jacinda and the A-G have already signalled it, and I don't think there would be any opposition at all in Parliament, so you can bet that's going to happen, and fast.



Except they aren't. It's so easy to get guns legally in NZ that a TV crew upset the pigs mightily a year or so when a journalist ordered a rifle online and never had any paperwork to show she was allowed to. I'm pretty sure she just ticked a box to say she was legally entitled to own it and off it went. The cops closed that loophole, but it's still very simple to get guns in NZ.


Yes, I keep being struck at the similarities between the two.

Hopefully, we don't make that mistake twice.
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NZ has stricter gun laws than the US. I guess it's a matter of opinion but here in the US it already seems rather strict to most gun owners. Of course criminals don't mind since they never abide by those laws anyway.

Chris B.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Apologies if this got covered already, I just lost my mind over it...

Fox Analyst Decries NZ Attack, Calls Alleged Political Motive ‘Understandable’

“It is very understandable what he is trying to do on a political level, obviously it’s horrific and it should be condemned completely on the action level,” Walid Phares told Fox News on Friday, before discussing the attention the shooter likely wants to bring to his ideological beliefs through the attack and trial.
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Basically he just condoned the type of reasoning that gets X% of Muslims labelled as "supporters of terrorism."
 
lionking said:
Rule of so. Well done.

Read this thread. You will see that NZ authorities are saying the guns were legally obtained.
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I just want to see you say the shooter broke no gun laws, including the use of high capacity magazines......Can you say it or not? I seem to remember seeing quite a few magazines that held decidedly more than 7 rounds each.

Chris B.
 
lionking said:
Civilised countries can do both.
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...New Zealand isn't "civilised?"

Which country is holding people in indefinitely in off-shore detention centres again? Are Indigenous Australians still the most incarcerated people on Earth?

New Zealand won't be "uncivilized" if we choose not to indulge a random internet's poster's desire that we spend millions of dollars doing something that will do jack-**** to stop the rise of white supremacy. You are in no position to be lecturing us on what it means to be "civilised". Clean up your own backyard first.
 
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