Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

[PhantomWolf]

Bit late on a fast-moving thread, but I do like to correct nonsense:





From Civil Aviation NZ:

There are currently five security-designated airports in New Zealand — Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin and Queenstown

Again, when was the last time you flew on a Regional plane in New Zealand?

Even at the major airports, passengers and luggage are not screened for planes with less than 90 seats. If you are flying regionally, then you go through an entirely different part of the airport than if you are flying on the big jets between major centres. Also combating your argument is that Air NZ has announced that they actually will be putting baggage through screening for all flights out of Christchurch for the next 48 hours. Guess what that means? Prior to this, the regional fights weren't screened.

 

[cullennz]

Again, when was the last time you flew on a Regional plane in New Zealand?

Even at the major airports, passengers and luggage are not screened for planes with less than 90 seats. If you are flying regionally, then you go through an entirely different part of the airport than if you are flying on the big jets between major centres. Also combating your argument is that Air NZ has announced that they actually will be putting baggage through screening for all flights out of Christchurch for the next 48 hours. Guess what that means? Prior to this, the regional fights weren't screened.

Tbf I think this whole mix up is me saying domestic rather than regional flights, which was a mistake.

For what little it is worth or difference it makes I apologise to everyone.

Basically think the vast majority of propeller plane flights

 

[lionking]

Oh wow. Criticise NZ in any way and watch out. Not security checking baggage is just plain stupid. They do it on internal flights on 20 seaters in Nepal, and Nepal is one of the most impoverished places in the world.

And guess what has now happened? The whole world now knows that airport security on domestic flights in NZ is laughable. Not hard to imagine a budding terrorist wanting to test it.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Tbf I think this whole mix up is me saying domestic rather than regional flights, which was a mistake.

For what little it is worth or difference it makes I apologise to everyone.

Basically think the vast majority of propeller plane flights

Turboprop is a better word, otherwise people will be think of Cessna 172s and the like rather than the SAAB 340s and Bombardier Q300s that are actually used.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Oh wow. Criticise NZ in any way and watch out. Not security checking baggage is just plain stupid. They do it on internal flights on 20 seaters in Nepal, and Nepal is one of the most impoverished places in the world.

And guess what has now happened? The whole world now knows that airport security on domestic flights in NZ is laughable. Not hard to imagine a budding terrorist wanting to test it.

Gee why might they do them in Nepal?

Let's see....

Terrorism
Terrorists are likely to try to carry out attacks in Nepal. Attacks can be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by expatriates and foreign travellers. Be vigilant in public places and take local advice.

Terrorist attacks in Nepal include the 2005 bus attack near Badarmude

Over the past 5 years a total number of 445 terrorist incidents has been recorded [in Nepal], in which 12 people have been killed and 212 injured.

 

[cullennz]

Oh wow. Criticise NZ in any way and watch out. Not security checking baggage is just plain stupid. They do it on internal flights on 20 seaters in Nepal, and Nepal is one of the most impoverished places in the world.

And guess what has now happened? The whole world now knows that airport security on domestic flights in NZ is laughable. Not hard to imagine a budding terrorist wanting to test it.

That is one way to look at it.

Another way is why would some travel about 18,000 k to bother testing it over about 12 passengers

 

[theprestige]

Oh wow. Criticise NZ in any way and watch out. Not security checking baggage is just plain stupid. They do it on internal flights on 20 seaters in Nepal, and Nepal is one of the most impoverished places in the world.

And guess what has now happened? The whole world now knows that airport security on domestic flights in NZ is laughable. Not hard to imagine a budding terrorist wanting to test it.

I guess New Zealand should probably take a moment to consider how many Australians might want to terrorize them. I would have figured "maybe one", but apparently the number could be much higher.

It might be high time New Zealand set up some prison islands for new immigrants.

 

[lionking]

Gee why might they do them in Nepal?

Let's see....

And yet the cost hasn’t crippled Nepalese airlines.

Yes, you haven’t had an airline massacre yet. Before yesterday you hadn’t had a mosque massacre.

 

[cullennz]

And yet the cost hasn’t crippled Nepalese airlines.

Yes, you haven’t had an airline massacre yet. Before yesterday you hadn’t had a mosque massacre.

And with a bit of luck we won't change the whole of our transport system or security over the one off.

The gun licence issue needs looking at though.

But tbf it has been for a while.

Not so much the granting. More the types.

 

[PhantomWolf]

And yet the cost hasn’t crippled Nepalese airlines.

Again you aren't listening. The airline don't pay for it. The GOVERNMENT does. Regional Airports in NZ are owned as a mixture of Central and Local Body Government. It is the NZ rate and tax payers that would have to pay the millions of dollars to add security into airports, many of which don't have the infrastructure to add it, and then pay to have people run that security, all for something that is all but non-existent. You want to talk insane, spending millions on dollars to prevent something that is not a threat? That is insane

Yes, you haven’t had an airline massacre yet. Before yesterday you hadn’t had a mosque massacre.

Which might be an argument for better security at Mosques.

 

[PhantomWolf]

That is one way to look at it.

Another way is why would some travel about 18,000 k to bother testing it over about 12 passengers

Not only that, but why bother to do anything like that to a country where an attack would have little effect on those that you actually want to target?

 

[banquetbear]

Oh wow. Criticise NZ in any way and watch out. Not security checking baggage is just plain stupid.

...strawman. You are free to criticize NZ in any way you like. But if you are going to offer uniformed, knee-jerk, fact-free emotional and ultimately irrelevant opinions then you shouldn't be surprised that you get push-back on it.

 

[lionking]

Again you aren't listening. The airline don't pay for it. The GOVERNMENT does. Regional Airports in NZ are owned as a mixtureof Central and Local Body Government. It is the NZ rate and tax payers that would have to pay the millions of dollars to add security into airports, many of which don't have the infrastructure to add it, and then pay to have people tun that security, all for something that is all but non-existent. You want to talk insane, spending millions on dollars to prevent something that is not a threat? That is insane



Which might be an argument for better security at Mosques.

Levies on airlines pays for airport security in Australia. I’ll bet it’s the same for international flights into NZ. Government can and does pass on these costs to operators and ultimately customers.

 

[cullennz]

Not only that, but why bother to do anything like that to a country where an attack would have little effect on those that you actually want to target?

True

Even with this piece of ******** jerks crap, it has hardly promoted any kind of propaganda he was aiming for. At the end of the day it's NZ. Hardly the most prominent country in the world for controversy.

No one is talking about the race stuff that I have seen.

Just the travesty

And that seems to be world wide for the vast majority.

If anything he has just brought people together.

 

[theprestige]

Again you aren't listening. The airline don't pay for it. The GOVERNMENT does. Regional Airports in NZ are owned as a mixture of Central and Local Body Government. It is the NZ rate and tax payers that would have to pay the millions of dollars to add security into airports, many of which don't have the infrastructure to add it, and then pay to have people run that security, all for something that is all but non-existent. You want to talk insane, spending millions on dollars to prevent something that is not a threat? That is insane



Which might be an argument for better security at Mosques.

I think lk's argument is that gun crazed Aussies are a real threat that NZ needs to start taking seriously.

 

[theprestige]

True



Even with this piece of ******** jerks crap, it has hardly promoted any kind of propaganda he was aiming for. At the end of the day it's NZ. Hardly the most prominent country in the world for controversy.



No one is talking about the race stuff that I have seen.



Just the travesty



And that seems to be world wide for the vast majority.



If anything he has just brought people together.

I like the cut of your jib, but real talk? He also killed 40-odd people who will never again be together with their loved ones.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Levies on airlines pays for airport security in Australia. I’ll bet it’s the same for international flights into NZ. Government can and does pass on these costs to operators and ultimately customers.

My local airport has a total of 21 commercial fights a day 6 days a week, and just 13 flights on Saturdays, each with a maximum of 34 passengers assuming the flight is full. How long would it take to pay for all the security and changes to the airport buildings that would be required by your scheme?

You seem to also be very be hard of reading. I have already told you twice that adding security to the regional airports was looked onto about a decade back and it was determined that it simply wasn't worth it. What makes you think that you know better than the experts who actually know and studied the situation and then wrote a report on it to with their recommendations to our Government?

 

[cullennz]

I like the cut of your jib, but real talk? He also killed 40-odd people who will never again be together with their loved ones.

49...So far (there is still some in ICU)

 

[PhantomWolf]

I like the cut of your jib, but real talk? He also killed 40-odd people who will never again be together with their loved ones.

That's the travesty part... we're all hurting here, even those of us that were far from the action. This is like the Christchurch quakes all over again, there is a sense of shock and disbelief, especially since he wasn't even a NZer. To be honest I don't know if that makes it better or worse. The idea that a foreigner can come here and kill New Zealanders, people that came here for a safer life. That is just... incomprehensible. It makes a lot of us very, very angry that an outsider has brought this sort of reprehensible violence to our shores. Yet had it been a New Zealander that had been slaughtering their fellows...

As I say, the country is still in shock at the moment, but we are a resilient people, and Christchurch especially. We'll mourne for the dead, comfort the living, and then we'll get on with building a better and brighter tomorrow for everyone, and God help anyone that tries to hurt any of us in this way again.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The PM has stated that the guns used appear to have been modified to make them semi-automatics, which at the moment is how they believe he got hold of them. So it seems that he got single fire weapons legally, modified them into semi-automatics illegally, and somehow got hold of illegal high capacity magazines for them.

Not much any gun laws could have done to stop this, other than doing a better background check into him when he applied for his licence. However even then, people at the shooting club he frequented say he seemed totally normal around them and never expressed any extremist ideas. Similarly a workmate in Australia who had worked with him for 6 years was surprised to learn about his extremism.