Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

lionking said:
This is not enough to prevent further massacres. You’ve seen the evidence in Australia that eliminating semi-automatics has eliminated mass shootings.

Why does a hunter need a semi-automatic for anyway? Not much sport in cutting an animal in two. Have a licensed category for eliminating feral animals if you must, but get rid of these weapons.
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It isn't about hunters. Under certain circumstances, it is just for a person to kill another person. A gun is for killing people. Semi automatic weapons are better at that task than some other weapons.
 
The Atheist said:
It's just incorrect - see above. Every passenger, every piece of baggage, is screened on all domestic flights other than a few small planes that fly half a dozen people to obscure spots.
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I have no idea where you fly but frankly this is utterly wrong.

The vast majority of domestic flights (the twin prop planes) in the south island aren't screened with hand luggage.

It is a bit like a group of people catching a cab really

The big luggage is, being stowed below I think, because it goes through the same process.
 
The Atheist said:
Good find, that was it.

Meanwhile, just to remove any doubt about NZ airline screening, here's a link to the government department's own information page:
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OK

For clarification, because it is obviously necessary for some reason

Domestic outbound flights were stopped at Chch, because Hand Luggage isn't checked and some nutter shooter could be trying to get away
 
The Atheist said:
Good find, that was it.

Meanwhile, just to remove any doubt about NZ airline screening, here's a link to the government department's own information page:
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Strange you didn't find this part....

Screening passengers and their carry-on baggage
Avsec is responsible for pre-board screening at five security designated airports. All departing international passengers and their carry-on baggage are screened. All departing domestic passengers and their carry-on baggage are screened where the passenger is travelling on aircraft with seats for 90 or more regular air passengers.
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The Atheist said:
You might want to check that info, because anyone in the area with a gun would have been charged for having a gun in a public place.

There was a story on Stuff earlier about a bloke arrested because he turned up to pick up his kid from school wearing full camo gear. That one is at least possible, however the story has disappeared. The guy was named.
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Yeah, it was from last night before I headed to bed, I see the story changed, thus I edited the post.
 
cullennz said:
OK

For clarification, because it is obviously necessary for some reason

Domestic outbound flights were stopped at Chch, because Hand Luggage isn't checked and some nutter shooter could be trying to get away
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And checking those bags is supposed to do what exactly?
 
BobTheCoward said:
I don't understand what stopping flights over baggage is supposed to accomplish.
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Presumably it was stopping some random bringing on a gun as at the time they didn't know how many shooters there were or doing a runner.

Seems extremely logical to me, but then maybe I am over the top
 
cullennz said:
Presumably it was stopping some random bringing on a gun as at the time they didn't know how many shooters there were or doing a runner.

Seems extremely logical to me, but then maybe I am over the top
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Why would they bring a gun on a flight?
 
lionking said:
And government has the right to restrict wants. A lot of sick people might want to rape, rob and injure. These wants are prohibited, as semi-automatics should be.
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Yet you cannot control the minds of evil people. You'll find if someone wants to kill someone else, they'll simply make use of the nearest tool available, legal or not. Evil people don't tend to follow laws. Punishing law abiding citizens is not the answer. Reinstating the death penalty for murder would be a more realistic approach.

Chris B.
 
lionking said:
This is not enough to prevent further massacres. You’ve seen the evidence in Australia that eliminating semi-automatics has eliminated mass shootings.
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Really? What about the Osmington shooting in May last year? Seven shot dead. Was that not a mass shooting?

This attack was the result of a well organised plan and it took two years to set up and involved the illegal ownership and use of the main two weapons and their magazines. Even with their semi-auto ban, Australia is just as vulnerable to this sort of planning and illegal activity with a large number of illicit weapons in the hands of criminals and there have certainly been attempts to import semi and fully automatic weapons into Australia illegally, with the Police and Customs admitting that they can't know for sure how many actually make it in.

Your claims are just not valid, not do they match reality, so get off your high horse. New Zealand's gun deaths rate is not that different from Australia's (just over 1 per 100,000 people), so your claims that your stricter gun laws make you safer is just rubbish. It's also interesting which country's cops walk around armed all the time.

Why does a hunter need a semi-automatic for anyway? Not much sport in cutting an animal in two. Have a licensed category for eliminating feral animals if you must, but get rid of these weapons.
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Considering that semi-autos in New Zealand are restricted to 10 shots of .22 or smaller, and 7 shots of larger calibre, then no animals will being cut in half.

At least do some actual research before spouting off.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why would you think that is more probable than before the event?

What evidence based reason do you have to justify the stopping of planes?
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It was a fluid situation and the cops had no idea how many shooters there were at time

The whole city was in shutdown.

Personally I agree with the decision, for the reasons I have said.

If you have any more anger over the planes being grounded I suggest you write a strongly worded complaint letter to Bush demanding every scenario he based it on, where I am sure his secretary will read it, and pass it on the appropriate cylindrical filing cabinet.
 
cullennz said:
It was a fluid situation and the cops had no idea how many shooters there were at time

The whole city was in shutdown.

Personally I agree with the decision, for the reasons I have said.

If you have any more anger over the planes being grounded I suggest you write a strongly worded complaint letter to Bush demanding every scenario he based it on, where I am sure his secretary will read it, and pass it on the appropriate cylindrical filing cabinet.
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My objection is to the lack of evidence based decision making.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Reinstating the death penalty for murder would be a more realistic approach.
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There is exactly zero evidence that the Death Penalty has any positive effect on murder rates, in fact the evidence suggests the exact opposite with US States that don't have the DP having lower murder rates than those with, and States that ceased using the DP seeing drops in the murder rate afterwards.
 
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