Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

McHrozni said:
Two things here, first very little (if any) of that terrorism was anywhere near the massacres of dozens of people inspired directly by Islam we see on a weekly basis.

Yes, weekly. There was a broadly comparible attack by Islamic extremists carried out in India four weeks ago: 49 dead and 48 wounded.

https://www.deccanherald.com/nation...e-rams-into-bus-kills-CRPF-Jawans-718430.html

Second, unless you're an elf, 30 years should be long enough to be called "many years".

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William Parcher said:
Nearly all shootings were inside the mosque. He shoots people on the sidewalk nearby both as he is on foot and also as he is driving away. He seemed to shoot at any visible human within a few blocks of the Al Noor mosque. Some may have had no relation to the mosque. He was standing outside the mosque shooting pedestrians a block away. Like a walking sniper.



He walked into the mosque with a single rifle and many high capacity banana clips. He was carrying so many clips that he dropped at least one on the floor (later picking it up and loading it). He would rapidly reload the rifle with a fresh clip. No doubt he was practiced.

His station wagon was parked next to the mosque. It was filled with many more guns and ammo all waiting to be used. At one point in the massacre, he walks out and goes back to the car. He switches rifles getting a new one from the cargo area. It looks like the same kind of rifle. So he also gets more clips as well and then goes back into the mosque with a fresh gun and more clips. Now he starts being very methodical about examining the piles of bodies looking for the still living which he then shoots multiple times. He did not want to leave a single person alive.
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That seems to support my point that the semi-auto, magazine loaded rifle being the preferred weapon for spree killings. Any shots taken with a shotgun while driving around were just targets of opportunity. For the mass slaughter, a rifle with lots of spare mags is the obvious preferred weapon. I doubt the gunman could have been nearly as deadly with something that is capacity restricted and slow to reload by its very design, like a tube-fed pump shotgun.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
That seems to support my point that the semi-auto, magazine loaded rifle being the preferred weapon for spree killings. Any shots taken with a shotgun while driving around were just targets of opportunity. For the mass slaughter, a rifle with lots of spare mags is the obvious preferred weapon. I doubt the gunman could have been nearly as deadly with something that is capacity restricted and slow to reload by its very design, like a tube-fed pump shotgun.
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I'm now going to revise what I said. I now think that the very first gun he takes into the mosque is an assault-style semi-auto shotgun. Then he goes back to the car and switches for an assault-style semi-auto rifle.

For this massacre (mostly in mosque and some on street) he uses both shotguns and rifles. He is never carrying or using more than one at a time.
 
McHrozni said:
That we should approach Islam-inspired massacres in the same manner as we do this one and not treat them with undue additional curtesy we currently do.

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I'd say we have treated right wing terror with "curtesy" for far too long. I agree, we need to start treating it like we have treated Islamist terror. I simply don't think the two of us agree which has been treated more stringently.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm now going to revise what I said. I now think that the very first gun he takes into the mosque is an assault-style semi-auto shotgun. Then he goes back to the car and switches for an assault-style semi-auto rifle.

For this massacre (mostly in mosque and some on street) he uses both shotguns and rifles. He is never carrying or using more than one at a time.
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I haven't watched the video, and am undecided if I ever will, but it should be easy to tell. A semi-auto shotgun, even a magazine fed one, will not hold more than say 10 shells, unless it's a big drum magazine which would be fairly obvious to spot.

A semi-auto, magazine fed shotgun is similar to a semi-auto rifle in that they are fast to reload, though the capacity is less. I would consider them significantly different than the average tube fed pump shotgun that are most common.

My point remains that someone wanting to kill lots of people very quickly is likely to choose a magazine fed, semi auto weapon, if available. They are better for the task.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
The NZ Police keep a list of acceptable weapons and their category, it's downloadable from their site, so it is a bit more then just a PR move.
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Imposing restrictions based on cosmetic features rather than functionality is fundamentally pointless. That's just about the only detail I agree with "gun rights advocates" on.

I would also point out that aside from family incidents (we have had a few mass shootings of family members), we haven't had a serious mass shooting since Aramoana until today, and today was a operation that took 2 years of meticulous planning and preparation.

I very much doubt that our gun laws were at fault here.
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Hopefully they won't be. If the AR-15 was in any way NZ legally-sanctioned - stolen or not - I would think that changes are inevitable.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I agree. Max capacity would be 9 rounds of 12 gauge, if not less. That is strange to me that someone would choose that over a rifle. Reloading such a shotgun is not a fast process compared to that of a rifle.
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It never gets reloaded. When he runs out (or decides to stop) he goes out to the car to get a rifle. Nobody stops him walking in and out of the mosque. He is in no hurry. Methodical and calculated. Like a video game or a movie. It's surreal how he dominates and destroys all human life in his visual field.
 
William Parcher said:
It never gets reloaded. When he runs out (or decides to stop) he goes out to the car to get a rifle. Nobody stops him walking in and out of the mosque. He is in no hurry. Methodical and calculated. Like a video game or a movie. It's surreal how he dominates and destroys all human life in his visual field.
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I suppose that makes sense, fire it empty and dump it for something else.

With the video, the manifesto, and the 8chan memes all over the literal murder weapons, I hope this is some kind of turning point for how we deal with the alt-right. It's time for the kid gloves to come off.

At least in the US, a good deal of effort has been expended in fighting overseas sources of terror. Not nearly enough has been done about the domestic supply of right wing terrorism.
 
He uses the shotgun to shock and suppress the people, then switches to a semi-automatic rifle.

He has given a lot of thought to this.
 
William Parcher said:
Here is a second rifle at the mosque. What is that sighting thing? Is that a video camera sight?

https://www.esdiario.com/images/car...jpg?relatedArticles&width=1200&enable=upscale
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Both look like common red dot sights. The first looks like it could be an aimpoint, but it's hard to say. Maybe magnified, maybe just 1x.

Here's an aimpoint that looks to have a similar profile https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-compm4/

The second is a holographic sight, probably just an unmagnified red dot. I'm guessing EOTech, which is used by military, or some knockoff. here's a variety of EoTechs that have a similar appearance: https://www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapon-sights
 
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