Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[Ziggurat]

How dare you. MJ was an angel sent to earth to protect children. Or at least pre-teen males.

Why was Michael Jackson interested in twenty-eight year olds?

Because there were twenty of them!

 

[a_unique_person]

I agree. At this point, the real facts are gone and buried, and the ones left -especially his children- need to be allowed to let go and move on.

The real facts are known to people who are still alive.

 

[a_unique_person]

Abusers frequently are in that position, power.

Someone mentioned Jimmy Saville. He even abused a child on camera and got away with it. Trump is famous for boasting on camera about sexually assaulting women.

 

[theprestige]

Someone mentioned Jimmy Saville. He even abused a child on camera and got away with it. Trump is famous for boasting on camera about sexually assaulting women.

Is it assault if it's consensual?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Is it assault if it's consensual?

“If you are famous you need not seek consent.” - Abe Lincoln.

 

[theprestige]

“If you are famous you need not seek consent.” - Abe Lincoln.

"If you are famous, consent seeks you." - Donald Trump.

 

[cullennz]

Bill Maher gave a monologue several years ago with something like,
"OK, Michael. You had a tough childhood. I can understand trying to recover or experience that. Since you've been extremely successful so you should be allowed an extra, 10 years maybe to do it how you want. That would take you to 30 years old. You're 50 now. Grow the **** up."

Given his history of comments about adults sleeping with kids, Maher is the last person anyone should listen to on the topic

 

[p0lka]

Is it assault if it's consensual?

It was a minor, It's a totp episode, check it out.

 

[theprestige]

It was a minor, It's a totp episode, check it out.

Check what out? You're claiming a video confession of sexual assault of a minor. But I have to search the evidence?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Is it assault if it's consensual?

It was a minor, It's a totp episode, check it out.

Check what out? You're claiming a video confession of sexual assault of a minor. But I have to search the evidence?

No, a minor is incapable of informed consent. It is an easy, well explored concept with no need to check out evidence.

 

[DragonLady]

But if he really was asexual, he wouldn't have had any pornography in his house, would he? But he had loads - I know there was no child pornography, but there was enough adult pornography to a least conclude that he was either using it himself, or, as is alleged, showing it to the children he was sleeping with.

???? I'm not sure which is worse -that you made that claim, or that every person here with 10 gigs of porn hasn't called you on it. Some people collect warehouses of adult materials without ever allowing a child to see any of it under any circumstances.

 

[Elagabalus]

Check what out? You're claiming a video confession of sexual assault of a minor. But I have to search the evidence?

https://vimeo.com/162907735 Goto 43:08 NSFW

 

[DragonLady]

I am a firm believer in "Let Justice Be Done, Even If The Skies Fall".
We need to know the truth about what happened.
I do note, thought, that least one of the Jackson fanboys here has moved from "He Is As Pure As The Fallen SNow" to "He's dead, so let's forget about it".

Are you referring to me?

I never claimed he was pure in any form; only that the evidence he molested children was scant at best -and he was ACQUITTED in court.

So far as "He's dead, so let's forget about it" I'm saying that because He is NO LONGER ABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

 

[DragonLady]

And dangle babies from balconies.

Yeah; that was a terrible thing to do.

 

[Lithrael]

I don’t think it’s an incredible stretch to imagine he was just that much of a weirdo without also being a kiddie sex weirdo. And yet...

Even the most Mike-Didn’t-Mean-Anything-Weird-By-That reading still leaves him responsible for a lot of damage to the kids he hung out with. For example, any kid’s developing sense of healthy boundaries will get completely jacked up with that kind of stuff going on.

That the non-Michael adults involved generally just went eeehhhhh ok is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Are you referring to me?

I never claimed he was pure in any form; only that the evidence he molested children was scant at best -and he was ACQUITTED in court.

So far as "He's dead, so let's forget about it" I'm saying that because He is NO LONGER ABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

Him being dead and therefore unable to defend himself doesn’t necessitate any victims being silent. It is easy to see how him being dead and the power structures built around him being dismantled can make for a more free environment to speak out.

 

[a_unique_person]

https://vimeo.com/162907735 Goto 43:08 NSFW

Thanks. On a phone so can't get to link.

 

[DragonLady]

Him being dead and therefore unable to defend himself doesn’t necessitate any victims being silent. It is easy to see how him being dead and the power structures built around him being dismantled can make for a more free environment to speak out.

They've been speaking out for years. Has there been any new EVIDENCE brought forth at all?

 

[PhantomWolf]

After watching Leaving Neverland, I have to say that those 2 came off as brutally honest. Will we ever know beyond a shadow of doubt? Probably nor. But that was some damning stuff. Really hard to watch.

The problem is that both of them testified twice under oath in court that no abuse ever happened, and now are saying different for documentary where there is no consequences for not telling the truth.

So either they committed perjury, twice, or they are lying now. Either way it's not helpful for their credibility.

We also have to remember that a documentary crew can film and edit the testimony as much as they want to make sure it is convincing. Harder to do in a court of law with a lawyer questioning you.

 

[Sideroxylon]

They've been speaking out for years. Has there been any new EVIDENCE brought forth at all?

Irrelevant. If they have been abused they can keep telling their story.