Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[Information Analyst]

Yeah, that's not a technicality either.

Also, it was a civil case rather than a criminal trial.

ETA: This HP article seems to give an honest appraisal of what was actually in his "porn stash."

 

[Arcade22]

A good way to neutralize the biases of celebrity and stardom is by simply imagining the same situation with someone else taking the place of Jackson.

What if it was the middle age man who lives down the street? Your young son or daughter has somehow developed a close and seemingly affectionate relationship with them born out of admiration. He gives them gifts and showers them with affection. Then they ask whether they can sleep over at his place.

That's so nice and cute isn't it? A real heartwarming love story.

 

[DragonLady]

Also, it was a civil case rather than a criminal trial.

ETA: This HP article seems to give an honest appraisal of what was actually in his "porn stash."

Thank-you for the link. I find that article to be a very good summation of the facts as I recall them in the days the trial was happening.

 

[GlennB]

A good way to neutralize the biases of celebrity and stardom is by simply imagining the same situation with someone else taking the place of Jackson.

What if it was the middle age man who lives down the street? Your young son or daughter has somehow developed a close and seemingly affectionate relationship with them born out of admiration. He gives them gifts and showers them with affection. Then they ask whether they can sleep over at his place.

That's so nice and cute isn't it? A real heartwarming love story.

Well said.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Dude's been dead damn near a decade. What's the plan dig up his body and put it on trail Pope Formosus style?

 

[DragonLady]

A good way to neutralize the biases of celebrity and stardom is by simply imagining the same situation with someone else taking the place of Jackson.

What if it was the middle age man who lives down the street? Your young son or daughter has somehow developed a close and seemingly affectionate relationship with them born out of admiration. He gives them gifts and showers them with affection. Then they ask whether they can sleep over at his place.

That's so nice and cute isn't it? A real heartwarming love story.

Jackson did have issues with boundaries; to be certain. He did a lot of damage to himself when he publicly stated he thought it should be okay to sleep with a child.

But did he ever publicly claim that he did, in fact, sleep with any children once he became an adult?*

I can't find a transcript of what he actually said, but the way I recall it, he said he slept on the floor.

*Granting that unless he did something improper, AFAIK simply sleeping with a child isn't illegal.

 

[DragonLady]

Dude's been dead damn near a decade. What's the plan dig up his body and put it on trail Pope Formosus style?

I think the plan is just to continue making money at his family's expense.

 

[sadhatter]

This asexual wants to know why everything has to be about sex.

The vast majority of people are not asexual. So to them sex is quite important.

Feel kinda condescending explaining that, but for some reason you asked.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Are we supposed to somehow be talking about sexual assault without talking about sex?

 

[sadhatter]

Dude's been dead damn near a decade. What's the plan dig up his body and put it on trail Pope Formosus style?

All that is left is his memory, if he sucked tarnish it.

 

[alfaniner]

I think the plan is just to continue making money at his family's expense.

I think the ones most at risk of losing money are the Jackson family itself.

 

[DragonLady]

I think the ones most at risk of losing money are the Jackson family itself.

I agree. At this point, the real facts are gone and buried, and the ones left -especially his children- need to be allowed to let go and move on.

 

[sadhatter]

I agree. At this point, the real facts are gone and buried, and the ones left -especially his children- need to be allowed to let go and move on.

If anyone is harassing them (legal definition) they should be charged.

If not it is Jackson that caused them the strife by taking the actions that he did. Don't want your family hassled? Maybe don't be the world's most famous dirty old man.

 

[Sideroxylon]

I agree. At this point, the real facts are gone and buried, and the ones left -especially his children- need to be allowed to let go and move on.

And his alleged victims? They should have the grace to move on too?

 

[Elagabalus]

Dude's been dead damn near a decade. What's the plan dig up his body and put it on trail Pope Formosus style?

Maybe just get the word out? No one dug up Jimmy Savile when the allegations came out (after a year) so no worries on that front.

 

[DragonLady]

And his alleged victims? They should have the grace to move on too?

Do any of them have any proof of his wrongdoing?

The man was ACQUITTED of all the charges against him.

It's the court of public opinion that continues to try him -again, and again, and again- while never quite making it to an actual courtroom.

Do not think for a moment that I'm without sympathy for any actual victims of child abuse.

However, I do believe it's a fundamental duty for us to all be skeptical until there's genuine evidence to be evaluated, and it goes triple when someone is able to make a fortune just selling the stories, and become wealthy for a lifetime if they receive any kind of settlement or payoff.

 

[Arcade22]

Jackson did have issues with boundaries; to be certain. He did a lot of damage to himself when he publicly stated he thought it should be okay to sleep with a child.

His admissions make him come off as a stereotypical pedophile child predator. He defensively brushed off everyone who saw his behavior as highly inappropriate as "ignorant". Ignorant of what? That healthy non-pedophiles don't seek out young children, shower them with affection, get close to them emotionally to the point of physical intimacy is not objected to and finally sleep together with them?

But did he ever publicly claim that he did, in fact, sleep with any children once he became an adult?*

I can't find a transcript of what he actually said, but the way I recall it, he said he slept on the floor.

He said he "slept in a bed with many children" and specifically mentioned Macauley Culkin and his sister. Macauley Culkin admitted that in court but denied he was sexually molested which, even if he didn't lie, is very strong evidence that is attraction towards children was sexual.

*Granting that unless he did something improper, AFAIK simply sleeping with a child isn't illegal.

Well then maybe we should honor Michael Jackson's call for there to more love and more heart in the world, which is how he justified his behavior. Have the operators and personnel of orphanages sleep together with their charges. Bring one of them in their own private quarters and have them spend the night in their warm embrace.

If someone objects to this then they can be dismissed as ignorant fools because of "love"... what a ******* joke.

 

[DragonLady]

He said he slept "slept in a bed with many children" and specifically mentioned Macauley Culkin and his sister.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Belz...]

Macauley Culkin admitted that in court but denied he was sexually molested which, even if he didn't lie, is very strong evidence that is attraction towards children was sexual.

How does that part work?

 

[Arcade22]

Do you have a link for that?

https://youtu.be/4smiXbCyAkM?t=51