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Manafort gets 47 months.

So what happened to decades Libs, LOL?

Excuse me, but I would like to point out a few things which you are apparently quite ignorant about:

First: the judge in the case decided the Manafort sentence. Judges, not Liberals, make these types of decisions in criminal cases.

Second: Manafort has already spent about nine months in prison that has been in solitary confinement. Which is not an easy thing for anyone to do.

Third: Manafort will be paying about 6 million to 15 million dollars in restitution. Which is a very tidy sum one way, or the other.

Fourth: Manafort is facing another sentence for his other troubles in a few days. So Manafort is hardly out of the fire yet.

Fifth: Manafort is 69 years old. So facing years in prison and paying millions of dollars is not going to be easy on him in any way, shape or form.
 
I thought I read recently that he is being sentenced for a number of convictions, and the sentences have to be served sequentially, not concurrently.

I saw an article (in the Post, I think) that suggested the next judge could make the sentences concurrent if he desires.
 
What the judge said about Manafort was other-worldly surreal:

Judge said:
[Manafort] has lived an otherwise blameless life
Manafort's sleazy, multi-decade relationships with Russian scumbags, not among the charges he faced, is part of this blameless life. WTF.
 
...or consecutive.

Certainly. I don't think anyone doubted that. Norman had said, "the sentences have to be served sequentially, not concurrently," and this is not consistent with what I read.
 
I saw an article (in the Post, I think) that suggested the next judge could make the sentences concurrent if he desires.

She.

And, yes, she has the power to up his total prison time to 14 years.

Worth reading: https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1103809442527698944

47 months for Manafort before Judge Ellis. That's about 40% of what I guessed, 120 months. It's a very substantial departure (although almost certainly a legal sentence) from the guidelines of 19-24 years.

/1

/2 A departure from 19 years to under 4 years is very dramatic. It's the kind of departure defense lawyers dream of. It's the kind of departure that's FAR more likely to be enjoyed by the sort of person who commits crimes with banks and wires than drugs or guns.

/3 It's pretty surprisingly lenient (though, in context, longer than average for white collar crime). Judge Jackson comes next. She can sentence up to 10, and can make it concurrent or consecutive. This changes my assessment of what she'll do. I suspect she'll max him. /end

/4 Postcript: I totally get why some people think this shows pro-Trump or pro-conservative or anti-Democratic bias on the part of Judge Ellis. If you believe it I'm unlikely to dissuade you. It may have played a part.

But it's not as simple as you think.

/5 Federal Judges are often on an axis outside of left-right. It's about judicial discretion vs. Congressional limits. Many federal judges always despised the Sentencing Guidelines, because it limits what they see as their proper absolute discretion to choose a sentence.

/6 That's not exactly a "liberal" or "conservative" position. So, for instance, Judge Ellis has been a strong critic of mandatory minimum drug and gun sentences, which are the reason he CAN'T give a convicted drug dealer a break like he gave Manafort.

/7 That's why you'll see some judges who would not by any stretch of the imagination be called "liberal" give oddly low sentences sometimes - and sometimes even defy the mandatory minimums (only to get overturned on appeal). They think it should be their decision, not Congress.

/8 So, though it's tempting to see "the fix was in!", and I can never exclude some sort of political bias had a role, I think you'll find most federal criminal practitioners won't leap to that conclusion.

OTOH, I've seen it suggested that Ellis goes easy on white people and hard on black people. I will note, though, that that article only uses 2 datapoints.
 
Manafort is causally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions.
Odd that that counts as blameless for Ellis.

Of course, you can't see the sins if you refuse to look.

Sheesh, that sentence alone should be grounds for a retrial.
 
Excuse me, but I would like to point out a few things which you are apparently quite ignorant about:

First: the judge in the case decided the Manafort sentence. Judges, not Liberals, make these types of decisions in criminal cases.

Second: Manafort has already spent about nine months in prison that has been in solitary confinement. Which is not an easy thing for anyone to do.

Third: Manafort will be paying about 6 million to 15 million dollars in restitution. Which is a very tidy sum one way, or the other.

Fourth: Manafort is facing another sentence for his other troubles in a few days. So Manafort is hardly out of the fire yet.

Fifth: Manafort is 69 years old. So facing years in prison and paying millions of dollars is not going to be easy on him in any way, shape or form.

The part that sticks in my craw is how clearly this demonstrates the two tier justice system that exists; where stealing $100 worth of quarters potentially carries a greater sentence than defrauding the United States in more ways than I can bother to count right now. It seems see odd to so openly flaunt that everyone is equal under the law unless you committed the crimes wearing a suit and tie and had copious access to legal resources. See also nobody going to prison for the 2008 financial collapse.
 
Manafort is causally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions.
Odd that that counts as blameless for Ellis.

Of course, you can't see the sins if you refuse to look.

Sheesh, that sentence alone should be grounds for a retrial.

IANAL but couldn't they just appeal the sentencing?
 
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Both the Judge and the lawyer in the Paul Manafort case stated loudly and for the world to hear that there was NO COLLUSION with Russia. But the Witch Hunt Hoax continues as you now add these statements to House & Senate Intelligence & Senator Burr. So bad for our Country!
 
My personal prediction, there may not be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Trump's personal involvement in conspiracy with the Russian government. But, like Nixon, I'm imagining the cover up may yield more undeniable crimes. The actual conspiracy would have involved a lot of people smarter than Trump, and may be buried well. But I find it much less likely that the perjury, obstruction of justice etc. Involved in covering up on Trump's end will be as well hidden.

Given the political nature of impeachment, this may still fizzle, but I find it most likely that Mueller has evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Trump perpetrated serious crimes.

Al "Scarface" Capone was a criminal gangster who was always able to hide the fact that he was a criminal. US investigators and prosecutors could not prove that he got his income from criminal enterprises, but they could prove that he did get an income, and he paid no tax on it, so they got him for tax evasion.

Trump may well be clever enough (or lucky enough) to have managed to distance himself with sufficient plausible deniability, from the way his campaign conspired with the Russian government to rig the 2016 election. However, its the peripheral things that will get him; the bank fraud, the insurance fraud, the campaign finance felonies, the violations of the emoluments clause.

"Follow the money" is a term that undid Nixon, the last criminal president. In a manner of speaking, it undid Al Capone... and it will also be the undoing of Trump; this generation's criminal president.
 

I'm not 100 percent sure Ellis's sentencing was politically motivated, but it certainly seems as if it was.

As it stands at the moment. Manafort could be out of prison in just under 2 and a half years.
 
I'm not 100 percent sure Ellis's sentencing was politically motivated, but it certainly seems as if it was.

As it stands at the moment. Manafort could be out of prison in just under 2 and a half years.

Even less - the 9 months he's already served count, so the effective sentence was 38 months.
 
Al "Scarface" Capone was a criminal gangster who was always able to hide the fact that he was a criminal. US investigators and prosecutors could not prove that he got his income from criminal enterprises, but they could prove that he did get an income, and he paid no tax on it, so they got him for tax evasion.

Trump may well be clever enough (or lucky enough) to have managed to distance himself with sufficient plausible deniability, from the way his campaign conspired with the Russian government to rig the 2016 election. However, its the peripheral things that will get him; the bank fraud, the insurance fraud, the campaign finance felonies, the violations of the emoluments clause.

"Follow the money" is a term that undid Nixon, the last criminal president. In a manner of speaking, it undid Al Capone... and it will also be the undoing of Trump; this generation's criminal president.

And when it happens all those who hopped on the Trump Train will howl "But this isn't collusion! Process crimes! Who cares about measly obstruction of justice! You said collusion before!"

And then within less than two years everyone will have been against him all along, and he was really a democrat etc etc.
 

Jefferson was convicted of corruption charges related to accepting money as a government official. Manafort was convicted of ripping people off (by not paying taxes and lying to a bank). I think what Jefferson did was worse.
 
Even less - the 9 months he's already served count, so the effective sentence was 38 months.

No, I figured that in. He can get an additional 54 days per year taken off his potential sentence for good behavior. So he could have a possible 215 days credit applied to a 47 month sentence. That is 47 months minus 9 months time served and minus 7.1 months for good behavior. Little under 31 months remaining.

But I may have been wrong about him being retried for the remaining counts as I heard on a news report that part of his plea deal with Mueller was that he was required to plead guilty on the hung charges.
 
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