No, actually, it merely jogged my memory regarding this whole learning by rote "crap" that they teach you in school. Get it? This is why everyone likes to think they're a bunch of freaking robots and zombies!
Get it? This is why everyone likes to think they're a bunch of freaking robots and zombies!
So?
I don't mind being a robot. I don't mind having no free will. I don't mind having no purpose in life. What's your point?
It's because they cram all that ◊◊◊◊ into your brains!
It's because they cram all that ◊◊◊◊ into your brains!
Not at all, Iacchus. I actually came to this conclusion on my own, with nothing from my schooling. Also, what is your problem with this? I have no problem having no purpose, but obviously you do. Why? I have no problem having no free will, but you do. Why? I have no problem with simply being a robot, but you do. Why?
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Because that's the way he was programmed.
kmortis
Biomechanoid, Director of IDIOCY (Region 13)
IIRC, Flatland is a public domain book, so other than it's 108 pages and this forum would DEFINATLY take issue with a post THAT long, we could do the whole bloody thing.If it's not against any copyrights, maybe we can start each posting a paragraph at a time (with proper attributions).
Flatland by Edwin Abbott
So, I'll just post the link again. In case it got lost
kmortis
Biomechanoid, Director of IDIOCY (Region 13)
No, actually, it merely jogged my memory regarding this whole learning by rote "crap" that they teach you in school. Get it? This is why everyone likes to think they're a bunch of freaking robots and zombies!
Hoho, Bubba. That's a snort. Really, are we going to go and crucify the education systems in the world now? Haha, Sparky. I tells ya, that's a good technique, one that I'll listen to, yes tell me that the only reaon I think like this is cause it was jammed down my thoat when you have no F)(*#ing clue where I went to school, what the cirricula was, how good of a student I was or even what extracirricular learning I did and what life events have occured to me to bring me to this point in understanding. Unlike you, I haven't written a book about my partiuclar insanity, so you have to guess.
So, how about we get off this blame the schools BS, and stick to the topic at hand which is...um..which is...uh...
gah
NOTHING...that's it, nothing. We've been debating...nothing
for 100+ posts we've been debating...nothing.HOLY CHICKEN man. What is so hard about nothing that we've been jerking around for this long?
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Mojo
Mostly harmless
No, because the piece of paper has edges, so if it was stretched it could be considered as expanding into an imaginary plane surrounding it.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
I go away for a couple of days, and I get back to find an extra 4 pages on the thread and Iacchus apparently no nearer to understanding the analogy we were talking about!
Iacchus, think about the surface of a balloon that is being being inflated.
The surface expands as the balloon is inflated.
Now, remember, we're only thinking about the two-dimensional surface of the balloon. Answer these two simple questions.
Does the two-dimensional surface of the balloon have an edge?
When the balloon expands, does its two-dimensional surface expand into a surrounding two-dimensional surface?
Iacchus, think about the surface of a balloon that is being being inflated.
The surface expands as the balloon is inflated.
Now, remember, we're only thinking about the two-dimensional surface of the balloon. Answer these two simple questions.
Does the two-dimensional surface of the balloon have an edge?
When the balloon expands, does its two-dimensional surface expand into a surrounding two-dimensional surface?
Yeah, but you forgot about the part that you stick your blowhole up to.
What you're speaking of here is an imaginary line, where two surfaces meet ... the surface of the balloon itself and the air that surrounds it.
bagtaggar
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Iacchus, many of us don't mind the concept that we give purpose to our own lives, that there are naturalistic explanations for "free will", and that ultimately the mysterious things in life can be understood and demystified.
We don't have a problem exploring this wonderful and amazing Universe, because we realize that reality is far more fascinating and strange without ghosts, crystals, and unicorns.
kmortis
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uruk
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Well see that the point. You're still thinking about the 2-dimensional analogy in 3-dimensional sense. the surface of the balloon is supposed to be representative of our 3-dimensions.
The idea of the analogy is that every point in the univers is expaning away from every other point (Hubble's observations verified this) like points drawn on the surface of a balloon and that the universe is boundless. There is no edge like the spherical nature of the balloon. But the analogy assumes that you ignore the outside and inside area of the balloon because nothing is known about those areas. They are outside our obsevability/ If you were a denizen of the surface boundy of the ballon, you would not know there existed and outside or inside boundry. You wouldn't even be able to visualize or describe them. In essence they would not exist for you.
No doubt there would be great debates over the existance of the outside and inside of the balloon and the great blower of air that created the balloon and inflated it but they would have no evidence or proof the great blower who blew so mightily since they cannot percieve anything except but the surface boundry of the balloon. Then there would also be others who would challenge the belevers of the great blower by asking them "who created the great blower" and they would respond that the great blower always existed and did not have a creator and that his only purpose is to blow. But never actually having seen or met the great blower they would make up grand stories about how the great blower came to them as one of them to deliver a message that the great blower will pop the balloon if they do not worship him in just the right manner. But still others claim that ........well that's enough of that .
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Yes, but why is the balloon expanding in the first place? Do you think it could have something to do with the expansion of the volume of air on the inside, versus the displacement of the air on the outside? This tells me that something has changed on both the inside as well as outside of the balloon, regardless of the surface area (of both surfaces of the balloon and the air), which is directly proportional to this expansion/displacement "thingee."
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TobiasTheViking
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Please understand, that balloon is an analogy, there is no inside or outside, only the surface.
It is just a picture to descripe the expansion of our universe. And as analogies go, it isn't perfect.