Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony

BobTheCoward said:
And there isn't enough of it that is my point. All of it equally supports an argument that they simply failed to successfully coordinate their activities.

ETA: we don't have a disagreement about the meaning of circumstantial evidence. I'm saying the circumstantial evidence in this case does not combine to eliminate inferences of non criminal behavior.
Click to expand...

Conspiring to commit a crime is also a crime, even if there is no follow through.
 
The Big Dog said:
golly, I guess we will just go right ahead and take your word for it :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Please do not feel compelled to take my word.

After all, it is very certain that there will considerable news coverage concerning the various Trump lies, cheats and about crimes that get exposed. Also, I am sure that there will be several posters here on the Forum who will be only too glad to inform you about how incredibly wrong you have been.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Then let me clarify. Inferences explained by a non successful attempt to conspire.
Click to expand...

At a minimum, it was a conspiracy to accept a "thing of value" from a foreign entity to help the Trump campaign -- a campaign finance violation on its face -- and since it was also an to attempt to get some "consideration" in exchange, that's why it is and ought to be illegal.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Oh, come on. Yesterday was a fun day and some of us have given up drinking at work. What else are we supposed to do while listening to an auditor go on an on about things that don't really impact our department?
Click to expand...

I think I need to remind you of the ISO 9001:2015 requirements (4.2.2c) that companies shall maintain an accurate interaction matrix/quality management system and in conjunctions with the requirements in 5.4.1 yours calls out these briefings specifically as one method utilized. If your registrar changes, they'll likely look at those interactions.

(This friendly reminder brought to you by an internal auditor/quality department warranty specialist/laboratory tech/logistics assistant/tariff exemption expert. ISO 9001:2015 and IAFT 16949:2016 5th edition trained)
 
Crossbow said:
Please do not feel compelled to take my word.

After all, it is very certain that there will considerable news coverage concerning the various Trump lies, cheats and about crimes that get exposed. Also, I am sure that there will be several posters here on the Forum who will be only too glad to inform you about how incredibly wrong you have been.
Click to expand...

cool cool. Won't take your word, and seeing nothing else....

good luck
 
WilliamSeger said:
At a minimum, it was a conspiracy to accept a "thing of value" from a foreign entity to help the Trump campaign -- a campaign finance violation on its face -- and since it was also an to attempt to get some "consideration" in exchange, that's why it is and ought to be illegal.
Click to expand...

Are you saying if trump and someone in his campaign conspired to try and get something from a foreign entity, and they never did, that violates campaign finance law? Because at a minimum they never made contact with Russians linked to the hacking.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Are you saying if trump and someone in his campaign conspired to try and get something from a foreign entity, and they never did, that violates campaign finance law? Because at a minimum they never made contact with Russians linked to the hacking.
Click to expand...

I said conspiring to commit a crime is also a crime, even if there is no follow through.
 
BobTheCoward said:
No, you said it was a campaign finance violation. Is it covered in campaign finance law or is it just covered under the regular law?
Click to expand...

You're not reading carefully. I said "conspiracy to accept a 'thing of value'" which would be a crime if carried through, but again, conspiracy to commit a crime is also a crime even if not carried through.
 
tyr_13 said:
I think I need to remind you of the ISO 9001:2015 requirements (4.2.2c) that companies shall maintain an accurate interaction matrix/quality management system and in conjunctions with the requirements in 5.4.1 yours calls out these briefings specifically as one method utilized. If your registrar changes, they'll likely look at those interactions.

(This friendly reminder brought to you by an internal auditor/quality department warranty specialist/laboratory tech/logistics assistant/tariff exemption expert. ISO 9001:2015 and IAFT 16949:2016 5th edition trained)
Click to expand...

*this quote provided from chapter three of 'Why Choose Building Construction as a Career?'*
 
WilliamSeger said:
You're not reading carefully. I said "conspiracy to accept a 'thing of value'" which would be a crime if carried through, but again, conspiracy to commit a crime is also a crime even if not carried through.
Click to expand...

Just wanted to clarify.

Certainly. But we are not discussing if they broke the law generally. We are discussing if they coordinated with the Russians
 
tyr_13 said:
I think I need to remind you of the ISO 9001:2015 requirements (4.2.2c) that companies shall maintain an accurate interaction matrix/quality management system and in conjunctions with the requirements in 5.4.1 yours calls out these briefings specifically as one method utilized. If your registrar changes, they'll likely look at those interactions.

(This friendly reminder brought to you by an internal auditor/quality department warranty specialist/laboratory tech/logistics assistant/tariff exemption expert. ISO 9001:2015 and IAFT 16949:2016 5th edition trained)
Click to expand...

You know, some of us come here to get away from work. Especially those of us who gave up drinking at work for the new year. And yet, thank you.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Just wanted to clarify.

Certainly. But we are not discussing if they broke the law generally. We are discussing if they coordinated with the Russians
Click to expand...

What we know from the Trump Tower meeting is that (1) Russians were looking to make a deal with Trump's campaign; (2) the Trump team was open to the idea; and (3) they really didn't want anyone to know about it so they repeatedly lied. As for direct evidence of coordinating with Russians, that's what Mueller is looking for, which is apparently why Trump desperately wants it shut down. I'm just talking about what is publicly known, e.g. Manafort giving polling data to the Russians; Popadopolus being told about the hacks; and Stone in contact with WikiLeaks about distributing the stolen emails. When you add that to the fact that Russians did interfere in the election to help Trump and Trump's strange deference to Putin and attempts to lift the sanctions on his own... circumstantial evidence adds up.
 
WilliamSeger said:
What we know from the Trump Tower meeting is that (1) Russians were looking to make a deal with Trump's campaign; (2) the Trump team was open to the idea; and (3) they really didn't want anyone to know about it so they repeatedly lied. As for direct evidence of coordinating with Russians, that's what Mueller is looking for, which is apparently why Trump desperately wants it shut down. I'm just talking about what is publicly known, e.g. Manafort giving polling data to the Russians; Popadopolus being told about the hacks; and Stone in contact with WikiLeaks about distributing the stolen emails. When you add that to the fact that Russians did interfere in the election to help Trump and Trump's strange deference to Putin and attempts to lift the sanctions on his own... circumstantial evidence adds up.
Click to expand...

1 2 3 are equally true in a scenario where they failed to connect. The same goes for Trump's deference to Putin. That is easily explained away as either A) reward for helping win the election even if they didn't coordinate or B) the exact behavior Russia expected which motivated them to influence the election in the first place.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom