Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony

GlennB said:
[Churchillian voice]

"Never before, in the history of human debate, were so many trolled so royally by so few"

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Where, in this case, 'so few' = 1
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Oh, come on. Yesterday was a fun day and some of us have given up drinking at work. What else are we supposed to do while listening to an auditor go on an on about things that don't really impact our department?
 
The Big Dog said:
Yeah, I saw that 'attempts to address... but fails' weasel words, I didn't think y'all were serious because you moved the goalposts right out of the damn stadium.

the claim: "none of the semantic quibbles in this letter calls into question any statements Cohen made about Donald Trump."

the rebuttal: "Points 2, 5 and 6 directly relates to Cohen's lies about the President."
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Except point 2 and 6 had nothing to do with Cohen's statements about the President, and point 5 fails to actually call Cohen's statement into question.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Lol, but that's not the statement you called a "classic ad hominem fallacy" and the one you now highlight isn't one, either, unless you assume there was an implicit conclusion. You need to state what you think that is, so we can see if it's a fallacy by Segnosaur or a straw-man by you. I've noted before that your difficulty in identifying fallacies seems to be faulty analysis of the arguments being presented. I've since come to realize that the fundamental problem seems to be that the whole concept of "logical argument" -- asserting facts and drawing a logical inference from them -- eludes you.

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The highlighted part tickles my funny bone. You see folks, our correspondent is contradicting himself.

Here is the thing, either our poster was making an point by citing to those irrelevant details, or he was not. If he was making a point, it was fallacious, if not, well... that does not make the slightest bit of sense.

But I am the good guy, I do assume that our correspondent is actually trying to make and argument related to the actual subject of the thread. I get that you think that TBD is bad for crediting people for actually trying to make an argument
 
Dr. Keith said:
Oh, come on. Yesterday was a fun day and some of us have given up drinking at work. What else are we supposed to do while listening to an auditor go on an on about things that don't really impact our department?
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And today was another fund day with Trump's "Personal Diplomacy" blowing up in his face with North Korea.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Odd. Maybe some quotes would help:

The lie Cohen pleaded guilty to telling was that Trump did nothing wrong.

Here is a hint: The thing Trump did wrong was lie publicly about the Trump Moscow Project.

When Trump heard Cohen lying about the Trump Moscow Project, who did he call first? Was it the FBI or a particular congressman? Was Trump the first person to tell Mueller that Cohen was lying to Congress?
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Naw bro, you had your chance, and that don't help you in the slightest.

When Trump heard Cohen lying about the Trump Moscow Project? Lots of assumptions in that post. I do not recall that trump said he was lying about that... can you give me a cite for that claim?
 
The Big Dog said:
Naw bro, you had your chance, and that don't help you in the slightest.
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I have no idea what that means.

When Trump heard Cohen lying about the Trump Moscow Project? Lots of assumptions in that post. I do not recall that trump said he was lying about that... can you give me a cite for that claim?
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You don't think Cohen lied about the Trump Moscow Project?
 
The Big Dog said:
The highlighted part tickles my funny bone. You see folks, our correspondent is contradicting himself.

Here is the thing, either our poster was making an point by citing to those irrelevant details, or he was not. If he was making a point, it was fallacious, if not, well... that does not make the slightest bit of sense.

But I am the good guy, I do assume that our correspondent is actually trying to make and argument related to the actual subject of the thread. I get that you think that TBD is bad for crediting people for actually trying to make an argument
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Lol, I recall challenging you to make an argument following "Cohen is a liar, therefore..." and you ignored it. Same thing in every thread where you just squat and take a dump on the Trump enemy-of-the-day.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I have no idea what that means.



You don't think Cohen lied about the Trump Moscow Project?
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That the Trump organization was working on the Trump Moscow Towers Project during Trump's campaign has been confirmed by many sources other then Cohen.
TBD is behing the curve again.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Lol, I recall challenging you to make an argument following "Cohen is a liar, therefore..." and you ignored it. Same thing in every thread where you just squat and take a dump on the Trump enemy-of-the-day.
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"He Loved Big Brother".
Perhaps the best closing words of any novel in the English language.
 
dudalb said:
"He Loved Big Brother".
Perhaps the best closing words of any novel in the English language.
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I'd argue for "It is a far far better thing that I do than I have ever done. it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known."
 
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smartcooky said:
Mark "some of my best friends are black" Meadows.
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Oh speaking of this - it was fun to watch him tantrum the whole proceeding to a standstill until his ego was properly soothed.

I am utterly fascinated by the dramatic attitudinal disparity between some peoples' frenetic reactions to being accused of racism versus their fairly cavalier or dismissive reactions to racism generally (that they're not personally accused of committing).
 
Interesting observation from a right wing talk radio host today: (paraphrased)

"You know there was nothing worthwhile from the Cohen hearing yesterday, because it degenerated into the Democrats calling everyone racist."


Although I do not agree with the quote, I do think the Democratic Party and the American left in general could learn a lot by understanding the statement and why it's effective.

The most important thing that came out of the Cohen testimony was not any evidence that anyone might be racist.
 
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