Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony

The Big Dog said:
Oh dear, you did not read the information, or you did not understand it?

I will assume it is the later.
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Bad assumption. But, I can see you enjoyed making it.

That is the case here, Cohen admitted lying about Trump doing absolutely legal things.
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Maybe you could expand on that:
  1. What totally legal thing was Trump doing that Cohen thought he should lie about?
  2. Why did Cohen lie about those things?
  3. Who benefited most from Cohen's lies to Congress?
  4. When Cohen lied about Trump who was the first person Trump called to report that Cohen was lying?
    (Did he tell the FBI first or did he call a congressman to let him know? Maybe it was Gaetz.)
 
Dr. Keith said:
Bad assumption. But, I can see you enjoyed making it.



Maybe you could expand on that:
  1. What totally legal thing was Trump doing that Cohen thought he should lie about?
  2. Why did Cohen lie about those things?
  3. Who benefited most from Cohen's lies to Congress?
  4. When Cohen lied about Trump who was the first person Trump called to report that Cohen was lying?
    (Did he tell the FBI first or did he call a congressman to let him know? Maybe it was Gaetz.)
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Wow!! You appear to be asking for......... evidence!? From that source!?



Dreamer.


That dog is less capable of providing evidence than my dog.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Bad assumption. But, I can see you enjoyed making it.

Maybe you could expand on that:
  1. What totally legal thing was Trump doing that Cohen thought he should lie about?
  2. Why did Cohen lie about those things?
  3. Who benefited most from Cohen's lies to Congress?
  4. When Cohen lied about Trump who was the first person Trump called to report that Cohen was lying?
    (Did he tell the FBI first or did he call a congressman to let him know? Maybe it was Gaetz.)
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Sure thing my man! I like the enthusiasm.

Lets start with the first lie in the "information" "The Moscow Project Ended in January of 2016 and was not discussed extensively with others in the Company."

First of all, let me make it clear that I am assuming these are "lies" (quite frankly including a wishy washy word like extensively in there is shocking, but Cohen was represented by Clinton Grifter lanny davis, so no surprise)

the Moscow Project is not and was not illegal. Do you understand? Yes __ No__
 
When all you have is really "Dear Leader is incapable of mistakes or doing wrong, and anybody who says otherwise is a doubleplus ungood crimethinker" you are not going to come off very well except to other Cult Members.
 
The Big Dog said:
falls off chair...

folks, I am going to do y'all a solid and link this again, because it seems the the big Dog is the only one who bothered to read it, yet that does not stop our correspondents from flat out lying about it.

https://republicans-oversight.house...2-28-JDJ-MM-to-Barr-re-Cohen-DOJ-Referral.pdf

Points 2, 5 and 6 directly relates to Cohen's lies about the President.
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It seems the Big Dog needs to take some remedial English reading classes. 2 involves a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. 6 is a 100% semantic quibble and also involves a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. 5 attempts to address a statement made about Trump, but it fails because what it calls contradictions, aren't contradictions:

A. For instance, Mr. Cohen verbally testified that he was a good lawyer who understood the need to present his client with sound legal advice. Mr. Cohen contradicted his verbal testimony in his written statement by testifying that he made a payment to Stephanie Clifford "without bothering to consider whether that was improper, much less whether it was the right thing to do...."
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Firstly, again, this regards a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. Secondly, this is not a contradiction because Cohen can both understand the need to present Trump with sound legal advice and yet still carry out Trump's orders which countermand or disregard that advice. Trump's actual cabinet is forced to do this on a daily basis as a matter of course because that's what working for Trump is like. Trump's last Defense Secretary actually resigned expressly because he was tired of doing this.

B. Mr. Cohen also contradicted his written statement by verbally testifying that the president directed him and Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg to "go back to his office and figure out how to [make the $130,000 payment to Ms. Clifford]". In his written statement, however, Mr. Cohen testified that "Mr. Trump directed me to use my own personal funds from a [HELOC] to avoid any money being traced back to him that could negatively impact his campaign."
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Also not a contradiction, because Trump would still have the final say on what should be done after directing his underlings to formulate an action plan. Trump ordered them to "figure out how to make the payment"; but that's not the same order as "okay, now make the payment", which Trump would also have to personally make afterwards. It could very well be that Weisselberg and Cohen decided it would be best to use some unconnected funding source to make the payments, and Trump decided that source would be Cohen's personal funds.

This is quite self-evident of course to anyone who's not deliberately trolling; but here I am humoring you.
 
Checkmite said:
It seems the Big Dog needs to take some remedial English reading classes. 2 involves a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. 6 is a 100% semantic quibble and also involves a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. 5 attempts to address a statement made about Trump, but it fails because what it calls contradictions, aren't contradictions:
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Well golly gee, all those words just to say TBD is right. That is so fine I ain't even gonna quibble with your specious objections to 2 and 6.

Good to have ya on Team TBD my good man... I feel a friend request is in your near future. :)
 
Stewart Rahr is a pharmaceutical billionaire, self-described "king of all fun" and was "the fake bidder" who plunked down $60,000 in 2013 for a portrait of his friend Trump, according to an article clipping provided Wednesday by former Trump attorney Michael Cohen.
"The objective was to ensure that his portrait, which was going to be auctioned last, would go for the highest price of any portrait that afternoon," Cohen said in his opening statement Wednesday to the House Oversight Committee. He also described the bidder as a straw buyer, who makes a purchase on behalf of another person.
The bidder was reimbursed by the charity Trump Foundation.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/trump-portrait-buyer/index.html
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Stewart Rahr is a pharmaceutical billionaire, self-described "king of all fun" and was "the fake bidder" who plunked down $60,000 in 2013 for a portrait of his friend Trump, according to an article clipping provided Wednesday by former Trump attorney Michael Cohen.
"The objective was to ensure that his portrait, which was going to be auctioned last, would go for the highest price of any portrait that afternoon," Cohen said in his opening statement Wednesday to the House Oversight Committee. He also described the bidder as a straw buyer, who makes a purchase on behalf of another person.
The bidder was reimbursed by the charity Trump Foundation.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/trump-portrait-buyer/index.html
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God, that is pathetic, on the same level as cheating at Solitaire.
 
Fact is Trump is having the worst week of his Presidency with the double whammies of the Cohen Testimony and the total fiasco with North Korea, and TBD just can't cope with Dear Leader being shown to have such feet of clay.
 
The Big Dog said:
Sure thing my man! I like the enthusiasm.

Lets start with the first lie in the "information" "The Moscow Project Ended in January of 2016 and was not discussed extensively with others in the Company."

First of all, let me make it clear that I am assuming these are "lies" (quite frankly including a wishy washy word like extensively in there is shocking, but Cohen was represented by Clinton Grifter lanny davis, so no surprise)

the Moscow Project is not and was not illegal. Do you understand? Yes __ No__
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No. I don't think we understand enough about the Moscow Project to know whether it ever crossed that line.

But, more importantly, I never claimed it was illegal. Nothing I have posted here depends on the legality or illegality of Trump's strong desire to have a massive project in Moscow at a time when Moscow was actively interfering in our election process on his behalf. I'm sorry if you got that impression.

The lie Cohen pleaded guilty to telling was that Trump did nothing wrong.

So, to get back to my questions, it looks like we have an answer to number 1:
  1. What totally legal thing was Trump doing that Cohen thought he should lie about? TBD: Trump's Moscow Project
  2. Why did Cohen lie about those things?
  3. Who benefited most from Cohen's lies to Congress?
  4. When Cohen lied about Trump who was the first person Trump called to report that Cohen was lying?
    (Did he tell the FBI first or did he call a congressman to let him know? Maybe it was Gaetz.)

Shall we continue?
 
Checkmite said:
It seems the Big Dog needs to take some remedial English reading classes. 2 involves a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. 6 is a 100% semantic quibble and also involves a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. 5 attempts to address a statement made about Trump, but it fails because what it calls contradictions, aren't contradictions:

Firstly, again, this regards a statement Cohen made about himself, not about Trump. Secondly, this is not a contradiction because Cohen can both understand the need to present Trump with sound legal advice and yet still carry out Trump's orders which countermand or disregard that advice. Trump's actual cabinet is forced to do this on a daily basis as a matter of course because that's what working for Trump is like. Trump's last Defense Secretary actually resigned expressly because he was tired of doing this.

Also not a contradiction, because Trump would still have the final say on what should be done after directing his underlings to formulate an action plan. Trump ordered them to "figure out how to make the payment"; but that's not the same order as "okay, now make the payment", which Trump would also have to personally make afterwards. It could very well be that Weisselberg and Cohen decided it would be best to use some unconnected funding source to make the payments, and Trump decided that source would be Cohen's personal funds.

This is quite self-evident of course to anyone who's not deliberately trolling; but here I am humoring you.
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The desperate flailing away is very funny. Not a single GOP House member defended Trump. All they did was attack Cohen. And they did a pathetic job of it.

What does that tell you? The substance was left standing. Hey TBD, want to understand what an ad hominem fallacy is? GOP House members provided plenty of them yesterday. Not once did they address substance. Instead they hurled ad hominem attacks at the messenger.

Cohen was prepped very well. He knew that any misstep or misstatement of fact could result in additional prison time. And this letter is the GOP's attempt to point out a mistake. But it certainly seems week and pathetic.
 
Trump Org moneyman Allen Weisselberg to be grilled by House Intel committee

According to a report by the Daily Beast’s Spencer Ackerman, the Trump Organization’s Allen Weisselberg will be called to appear before the Democratic-held House Intelligence Committee.

According to a source close to the committee, the Chief Financial Officer for President Donald Trump’s privately-held company will be asked to appear after he was once-again dragged into the conversation during testimony from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen on Wednesday.

According to the report, “The Committee anticipates bringing in Mr. Weisselberg,” adding a Democratic aide, stated, “The House intelligence community intends to call the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer to testify.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/tr...selberg-grilled-house-intel-committee-report/
 
Dr. Keith said:
No. I don't think we understand enough about the Moscow Project to know whether it ever crossed that line.

But, more importantly, I never claimed it was illegal. Nothing I have posted here depends on the legality or illegality of Trump's strong desire to have a massive project in Moscow at a time when Moscow was actively interfering in our election process on his behalf. I'm sorry if you got that impression.

The lie Cohen pleaded guilty to telling was that Trump did nothing wrong.

So, to get back to my questions, it looks like we have an answer to number 1:
  1. What totally legal thing was Trump doing that Cohen thought he should lie about? TBD: Trump's Moscow Project
  2. Why did Cohen lie about those things?
  3. Who benefited most from Cohen's lies to Congress?
  4. When Cohen lied about Trump who was the first person Trump called to report that Cohen was lying?
    (Did he tell the FBI first or did he call a congressman to let him know? Maybe it was Gaetz.)

Shall we continue?
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well, lets back up. You and our correspondents have written this:

"The lie Cohen pleaded guilty to telling was that Trump did nothing wrong."

where are you getting this???

Then we can get back to your questions.
 
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The Big Dog said:
Oh dear, you did not read the information, or you did not understand it?

I will assume it is the later. You see Dr. Keith, the first thing you have to understand is that the deep state can convict people for lying to the government about things that are totally legal.

Let me give you a super simple example. Say Donald trump got his car fixed on saturday, but Michael Cohen said he got it fixed on friday. the deep state can and will prosecute targets of ratsistance for "lying" about thing that are totally legal in order to co-opt them into doing their sleazy business.

That is the case here, Cohen admitted lying about Trump doing absolutely legal things.

That is why we call them process crimes, the deep state had nothing on Trump so they ginned up some fake charges against Cohen to go along with the real actual crimes Cohen and his wife committed and got him to roll over like a rat.

I hope this helps
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When you say "the deep state" I wonder of that is anything like "the incredibly vast conspiracy":

The Big Dog said:
3. Most importantly, you are ducking the question: you came here spamming the CIT's new video, in which they show Lloyde (the strangely hospitable, open and generous point person of the incredibly vast conspiracy)
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4164868#post4164868

There's a saying in Hollywood: if you want the Oscar, never go full CIT!
 
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