The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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Another problem is that he doesn't understand that "denuclearization of the Korean peninsula" includes removing US weapons from the area. North Korea has stated that clearly.

Which wouldn't even change the balance of power. We could remove every nuke we have from Korean peninsula and just park an SSBN off the coast in international waters and accomplish the same thing.

It's how we bluffed our way out of the Cuban Missile Crisis, by agreeing to "trade" missiles in Cuba for missiles in Turkey knowing fell well we were planning on getting rid of the missiles in Turkey because sea based missiles made them redundant.
 
This is the man Trump believes over his own intelligence agencies. The man who used his cyber forces to try and help get Trump elected. The Russians have admitted that. Trump told us he was going to have a good relationship with Russia. That it was very important we have a good relationship with them. They are all kinds of ties and contacts between Trump's people and Russia.

And now Putin is talking about hitting us with nuclear missiles and says he's ready for a show down any time we are. This is winning?

Have the Russians admitted that? I don't recall it.

What did you refer to here?

Thanks.
 
Have the Russians admitted that? I don't recall it.

What did you refer to here?

Thanks.

Exactly, who are you going to believe the CIA. NSA, FBI and those other losers or Putin about Russian activities? Clearly the answer for all right thinking Americans is Putin Americas greatest ally.
 
Exactly, who are you going to believe the CIA. NSA, FBI and those other losers or Putin about Russian activities? Clearly the answer for all right thinking Americans is Putin Americas greatest ally.

If you're supposing that I believe Putin over US intelligence, you're barking up the wrong tree. I said nothing that even suggested that.
 
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Great meetings and dinner tonight in Vietnam with Kim Jong Un of North Korea. Very good dialogue. Resuming tomorrow!
 
While at a photo op between Trump and Kim Jong Un, a reporter asked Trump about Cohen. He didn't answer, and a short while later, several reporters were barred from the next event due to "the sensitive nature of the meetings."

American reporters asked President Trump about Michael Cohen's testimony during a photo opportunity between Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un on Wednesday.
Trump didn't answer. Less than an hour later, the White House blocked several reporters from attending the next media availability between Trump and Kim.
Press secretary Sarah Sanders cited "the sensitive nature of the meetings."
 
...What did you refer to here?

My first reaction is, are you saying that having looked into this you do not believe any Russian has ever acknowledged involvement on the part of their country in the 2016 U.S. presidential election? Or are you saying you don't happen to remember hearing or reading anything about this?

When I said "the Russians" have acknowledged this, I meant individual Russians, not the Russian government. Last year I read a full blown description about the Russian cyber unit that became involved in the U.S. election. How for a long time they were really a backwater of Russian espionage or intelligence. It wasn't until the last few years when the cyber unit was able to successfully manipulate social media in various parts of the former Soviet Union that higher ups in the Russian government -- almost certainly including Putin -- began to realize that the cyber warfare unit could do very valuable work.

Gennady Gudkov, a former KGB colonel, told NPR a couple years ago that he once had damaging information on a candidate in the 2012 French presidential elections and passed the information along to the Russian foreign ministry. They decided not to use it because they feared if the leak was traced back to Russia it would poison relations between the two countries for years to come. But using bots to post on social media inside the country targeted has really changed the playing field.

In the 2012 example, the Russian cyber unit -- which I don't think was very active at that time -- would have created bots that represented themselves as and appeared to be French citizens. The damaging information wouldn't have been sprung. But rumors would be posted on various French social media sites (in French), with the idea of getting the attention of French media and, guide them to the story, posting additional "clues" on French social media outlets if need be.

I have seen it speculated, the pervasive rumors in the last few months of the 2016 campaign about Hillary Clinton being in very poor health, were circulated in part by the Russian cyber unit. That would be a classic example, where bots create a groundswell of rumors and interest on social media which reaches a level where the mainstream media feels compelled to investigate. By then, no matter what the mainstream media reports, a significant number of people will believe that Clinton must be having health problems or else, "why would anyone be talking about it in the first place?"

It's a new age. I recently posted a comment from Tamir Pardo, the former head of Israel's Mossad. Referring to the Russian campaign to effect the U.S. presidential elections, Prado said, “It was the biggest Russian win ever. Without shooting one bullet, American society was torn apart.”

And it's true, absolutely. Donald Trump being elected U.S. president has torn this country apart in many ways big and small.
 
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It's how we bluffed our way out of the Cuban Missile Crisis, by agreeing to "trade" missiles in Cuba for missiles in Turkey knowing fell well we were planning on getting rid of the missiles in Turkey because sea based missiles made them redundant.
I wouldn't call that a bluff : it was a face-saving exercise for both sides. As I recall, the US also agreed not to invade Cuba, directly or by proxy.
 
Missiles are relatively low-tech and cheap (in comparison to, say, manned aircraft) and the Russians have done well with them, going back to the Katyushas which were part of the war-winning tirumvirate (with the T34 and AK's) against the Nazis. Just saying.

Couple of nitpicks:

The AK was a postwar invention. It was based on a similar weapon used during the war, but that predecessor was German.

The Katyusha was a rocket, not a missile. Rockets are low-tech and cheap. Missiles are higher up on both metrics.
 
I suspect the South Koreans are getting nervous, given how Trump sold the Kurds in Turkey down the river in order to make himself look good.
 
I suspect the South Koreans are getting nervous, given how Trump sold the Kurds in Turkey down the river in order to make himself look good.

It may work out ok. If Trump's handlers allow him to watch Cohen's testimony to congress he probably won't be able to speak for a couple of days.
 
Another problem is that he doesn't understand that "denuclearization of the Korean peninsula" includes removing US weapons from the area. North Korea has stated that clearly.
Which wouldn't even change the balance of power. We could remove every nuke we have from Korean peninsula and just park an SSBN off the coast in international waters and accomplish the same thing.
Just out of curiosity, how many nuclear weapons does the U.S. have in South Korea? I tried googling, and from what I can see, American nuclear weapons were removed from South Korea back in the early 90s.

From: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n-korea-won-t-give-nuclear-weapons-unless-u-s-n950211
The United States removed its tactical nuclear weapons from South Korea in the 1990s.

On the other hand, North Korea is not just demanding "denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula", they want removal of nuclear weapons from areas NEAR North Korea (which would include nuclear subs) and the removal of all "sources of nuclear threat" (which could mean U.S. troops in south Korea).

From the same article:
"When we talk about the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, it means the removal of all sources of nuclear threat, not only from the South and North but also from areas neighboring the Korean Peninsula," the statement said.
 
Cohen just predicted a Nightmare Scenario for 2020:Trump loses the election but refuses to leave office.
 
My first reaction is, are you saying that having looked into this you do not believe any Russian has ever acknowledged involvement on the part of their country in the 2016 U.S. presidential election? Or are you saying you don't happen to remember hearing or reading anything about this?

When I said "the Russians" have acknowledged this, I meant individual Russians, not the Russian government. Last year I read a full blown description about the Russian cyber unit that became involved in the U.S. election. How for a long time they were really a backwater of Russian espionage or intelligence. It wasn't until the last few years when the cyber unit was able to successfully manipulate social media in various parts of the former Soviet Union that higher ups in the Russian government -- almost certainly including Putin -- began to realize that the cyber warfare unit could do very valuable work.

I thought you meant that the Russian government acknowledged its role.
 
Putin said it at a press 'conference'. Sorry, no link handy.

Closest I found by a quick Google was that he acknowledged he wanted Trump to win and hence had a motive, but not that he ordered interference. The relevant article I found points out that some translations were ambiguous, but that Russian speakers said the ambiguity wasn't in the original Russian answer.
 
Closest I found by a quick Google was that he acknowledged he wanted Trump to win and hence had a motive, but not that he ordered interference. The relevant article I found points out that some translations were ambiguous, but that Russian speakers said the ambiguity wasn't in the original Russian answer.
Per my understanding it was even more ambiguous than you say. I never really understood it. At a press conference in Helsinki, Putin was responding that yes, Russia wanted Trump to win, but he was not acknowledging another part of the question, which was whether Russia interfered.

ETA: Ninja'd by you ...
 
The article about the Putin press conference that was linked had no quote. It contains an interesting exchange.
The Reuters reporter Jeff Mason asked, “President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?”
The English language translation had Putin stating, "Yes, I did. Yes, I did." However Russian speakers said that translation may have been misleading. In the linked news report by Uri Friedman in The Atlantic, he writes,
n Russian, Putin roughly said, “Yes, I wanted him to win, because he talked about the normalization of Russian–American relations.” In other words, he was apparently answering the first part of Mason’s question but not the second about whether he directed help Trump’s way. It’s unclear if that’s because Putin didn’t hear the second half of the question, it wasn’t translated into Russian accurately, or he simply chose to ignore it.


Notice, nobody is claiming he denied it? Ever. It's probably not realistic to think that Putin ever will admit it any time soon nor would any current Russian government officials make such an admission in defiance of Putin -- Russians who create problems for Putin have a way of turning up dead -- but many Russians outside the government or safely retired from the government have stated they believe Putin at least okayed the interference if not actively orchestrated it.

Among the many Russians who believe their country did interfere is Gennady Gudkov, the former KGB colonel. He told NPR in 2017:

Even as the Kremlin categorically denies trying to influence the U.S. presidential election last year, Gudkov says he believes there were attempts to do so. "Of course, the people who organized them did everything to hide the traces of such interference – and exclude the chance that the government's role would be discovered," Gudkov said. Link
 
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