horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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Whip said:
the real issue is that if the story was taken at face value, 2 potentially innocent people could have been sitting in jail now and he'd be going about his life receiving accolades.
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That's another thing that is a bit befuddling. He had 2 associates on the streets at the time. So the cops were either going to catch nobody, the right people or some innocent people. It was 2 AM in the middle of a Chicago winter, how many people did he think were going to be on the streets?

He probably thought that if they caught 2 white guys, so what? It's for the cause and all that.
 
It was reported that the attack was supposed to be earlier, and after the attack the brothers were supposed to jump on their plane for Nigeria. The flight was delayed four hours, so the initial plan seems to have been for around 10PM
 
Thermal said:
It was reported that the attack was supposed to be earlier, and after the attack the brothers were supposed to jump on their plane for Nigeria. The flight was delayed four hours, so the initial plan seems to have been for around 10PM
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With Smollett paying for their plane tickets by check?
 
wasapi said:
With Smollett paying for their plane tickets by check?
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From what I gather, the guys were going anyway, and Smollett was using their departure as a convenient exit from the stage, which is why the date was critical. I don't know if the $3500 represented the cost of the trip, or how that odd amount was arrived at. Maybe JS offered to make the trip free, post hoc?
 
Thermal said:
It was reported that the attack was supposed to be earlier, and after the attack the brothers were supposed to jump on their plane for Nigeria. The flight was delayed four hours, so the initial plan seems to have been for around 10PM
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It was Smollett's flight into Chicago that was delayed by 4 hours, not the brothers' flight out to Nigeria.
 
Leftus said:
That's another thing that is a bit befuddling. He had 2 associates on the streets at the time. So the cops were either going to catch nobody, the right people or some innocent people. It was 2 AM in the middle of a Chicago winter, how many people did he think were going to be on the streets?

He probably thought that if they caught 2 white guys, so what? It's for the cause and all that.
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if he had covered his tracks better, it could have even been the Nigerians that took a fall.
 
Whip said:
if he had covered his tracks better, it could have even been the Nigerians that took a fall.
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Not for 3500 bucks, split between the two. He would have to testify, probably, since his description didn't match the brothers.
 
Rogan was joking about how some critic says, "This is why actors don't get to write the scripts. The plotlines are too obvious and you can see the twists coming a mile off."

I should point out that I don't see really obvious plot twists coming. A movie will open with the main star using a rowing machine and talking about how he'll never beat his target of 10 minutes, the in the final scene when a bomb is about to go off on an island in 9 minutes and forty seconds, I'll still be wondering how the guy is going to get to the island.
 
qayak said:
I disagree. Wahlberg's transgressions came years before he made it and at a time when no one cared about the past lives of actors. There was never a need to redeem himself and so he hasn't.
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That's fair. Most of Wahlberg's redemption probably happened in my head anyway. My understanding is that he has admitted doing these things, and that he has expressed regret about them. That's part of it, and it's something Smollett needs to do. The other thing Wahlberg has done is spend many years staying out of trouble. That's the other thing Smollett needs to do.

But this whole shift in topic seems like a kind of "bargaining" to me. People can't deny Jusssie Smollett lied. People can't deny that the media and members of the political class pushed a bogus, hateful narrative on us.

Those are real problems that should be addressed. Instead, some people want to talk about how Smollett is being unfairly pilloried for his crimes. Some people still want to have a narrative where Smollett is the victim somehow.
 
Top Cop was on Good Morning America today. He says that they have a lot more evidence against Smollett than has been disclosed so far.
 
angrysoba said:
I should point out that I don't see really obvious plot twists coming. A movie will open with the main star using a rowing machine and talking about how he'll never beat his target of 10 minutes, the in the final scene when a bomb is about to go off on an island in 9 minutes and forty seconds, I'll still be wondering how the guy is going to get to the island.
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You should watch The Prestige (the movie, not the forum member. That would be creepy). It's full of twists that are telegraphed beforehand, but it's so expertly done that even when you know it's foreshadowing (like all the hats on the ground at the start of the movie), you can't really tell what it's foreshadowing of until the twist is revealed.
 
I tend to come at movies with as much of a blank slate as possible. The director wants to tell me a story, I'm content to sit back and let him tell it. If Chekov wants to show me a gun in the first act, great. I'm not going to go looking for it, though. And if in the third act, I end up thinking "oh, so that was the gun all along!", so much the better for me.
 
carlitos said:
The correct take on this case is in the Huffington Post today.
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"Believe victims."

This is a platitude, not an actual comprehensible position. It assumes victimhood has already been established, but if it was already established, then belief isn't even relevant. You don't believe established facts, you know them.

Is the author asking us to believe all claims of victimhood? That would be a very different request, and one that a lot of people (myself included) would not be willing to agree to.
 
Ziggurat said:
Is the author asking us to believe all claims of victimhood? That would be a very different request, and one that a lot of people (myself included) would not be willing to agree to.
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I'm not sure that HuffPo articles are written for the sort of people who ask questions like this.
 
carlitos said:
The correct take on this case is in the Huffington Post today.
I Don’t Regret Believing Jussie Smollett. Here’s Why.

he author of that piece states her personal situation in the opening paragraph.
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The correct take being if one's husband is a transgender man, and one is a queer cisgender woman, one should not regret believing the hoax???

The correct take is not regretting not believing the hoax at all, ever.
 
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