horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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What happened to claims that Michael D. Monico had been hired by Smollett?


I wonder if cops can distinguish between payments for staging this and payments for personal training.
 
sadhatter said:
Que no one admitting ideology blinded them to this one.
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I don't think anyone has to admit it. The body of work speaks for itself.

The interesting question is, how badly have some folks poisoned their own well on this one? How much of the other stuff that's being pushed around on this forum as established fact and rational thought... Isn't?
 
I think there should be more focus on how the cops handled this. I think they've been smoking Jussie Smollett out since the beginning. Jussie Smollett has continued to suffocate in the smoke.
 
alfaniner said:
Wasn't the original claim that the two guys were white? I mean, of course that's assumed, with MAGA hats and racist epithets and all.
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I think when a point of his was "if I said it was a Muslim or black man..." is obvious who he is talking about.
 
Scopedog said:
I think there should be more focus on how the cops handled this. I think they've been smoking Jussie Smollett out since the beginning. Jussie Smollett has continued to suffocate in the smoke.
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When it all comes out, pretty sure we will see that to some degree. Maybe strong suspicions up front, but did due diligence and crossed their 't's.

For instance, I doubt they were able to identify the brothers from street surveillance cameras. They had a tip from somewhere that led them to investigate them specifically, maybe just Lyft records.
 
Scopedog said:
I think there should be more focus on how the cops handled this. I think they've been smoking Jussie Smollett out since the beginning. Jussie Smollett has continued to suffocate in the smoke.
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I think the cops have handled it amazingly well. The last thing they needed was for the court of public opinion to put CPD on trial for railroading a black man, or dismissing a black man's allegation of a hate crime.

They seem to have threaded the needle just about as perfectly as anyone could hope.
 
theprestige said:
The last thing they needed was for the court of public opinion to put CPD on trial for railroading a black man, or dismissing a black man's allegation of a hate crime.
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Are you saying that in the court of public opinion those two things would be acceptable for the treatment of a white man?
 
William Parcher said:
Are you saying that in the court of public opinion those two things would be acceptable for the treatment of a white man?
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If Mel Gibson said he was the victim of a hate crime, he would be the subject of intense memeing. This guy got the benefit of the doubt until the crime was slapping people in the face. And a decent amount of folks are still trying to find ways to believe him.
 
William Parcher said:
Are you saying that in the court of public opinion those two things would be acceptable for the treatment of a white man?
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I certainly hope the police in any city start with believing the victim's story first and then, with a skeptic's neutral eye, let the evidence guide and tease out the details. I hope this unfortunate incident does not cause them to abandon this policy.
 
Elagabalus said:
I certainly hope the police in any city start with believing the victim's story first and then, with a skeptic's neutral eye, let the evidence guide and tease out the details. I hope this unfortunate incident does not cause them to abandon this policy.
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That's not a good policy. The police should neither believe nor disbelieve it until evidence comes to light, and even then it's an arbitrary distinction useful only in the decision whether to pursue the case, or make another against the complainant.
 
baron said:
I imagine his previous representation had said, "Look, we both know you're bull ****, so if you release this pack of lies we're done."
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Yeah, at this point he would do better to go with my suggestion of admitting guilt but saying he did it to bring attention to a real issue. (Not that I believe he did it for this reason, just that it would be best for him to say so. )

I just really think he felt the political environment was such that his story wouldn't be questioned. So much so he didn't even bother to find 2 white guys to help.
 
Elagabalus said:
Was Monico ever represneting Smollett?
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If Smollett or his "public relations firm" say anything, do not believe it without independent confirmation. Not a single thing. If Smollett says he had eggs and toast for breakfast today - do not believe it.

It was Monico himself who said that he was representing Smollett. That was probably true because Smollett himself didn't say it.

When Smollett or his PR team say something regard it as untrue until proven true. It has to be this way from now until eternity.
 
William Parcher said:
If Smollett or his "public relations firm" say anything, do not believe it without independent confirmation. Not a single thing. If Smollett says he had eggs and toast for breakfast today - do not believe it.

It was Monico himself who said that he was representing Smollett. That was probably true because Smollett himself didn't say it.

When Smollett or his PR team say something regard it as untrue until proven true. It has to be this way from now until eternity.
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Yes, we know that Smollett is prone to exaggeration. I'm just wondering if Monico also suffers from this same disease.
 
Elagabalus said:
I certainly hope the police in any city start with believing the victim's story first and then, with a skeptic's neutral eye, let the evidence guide and tease out the details. I hope this unfortunate incident does not cause them to abandon this policy.
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In this case, it was because the CPD believed Smollett's story, or at least acted like they did, that they were able to investigate and find the persons of interest who appeared in the video surveillance footage. (The prevailing doubter theory here, at the time, was that the persons of interest were random homeless people and finding them would be useless because nothing had actually happened on the street.) If the CPD had acted like they doubted Smollett's story, and dismissed it without intense investigation, the narrative of a horrifying homophobic racist pro-Trump attack would have stood as an unsolved case.

I expect that by the end of the week someone on a blog or popular Twitter account somewhere will be arguing, "The racist CPD only investigated because they thought it was a hoax from the start and they wanted to embarrass a popular black celebrity. If they'd thought a real hate crime happened, they wouldn't have tried to find the suspects."
 
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