Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
For the word evil, you could substitute ' misguided' . Doing evil is another way of describing mistakes made by undeveloped souls.



The cycle of spiritual evolution over many lives can go down, as well as up.

As soon as a spirit incarnates and makes an imperfect choice the laws of karma kick in, and this can lead a soul further away from the light.
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So the solders raping the 12 year old are just making a mistake.

The more you describe your philosophy the more abhorrent it becomes.
 
The Shrike said:
Not bad, right? I have zero training cold reading, I've never met you, and I just hit 66% accuracy.



Now imagine I'm speaking with you face to face and as soon as you say "no bell-bottoms" I repeat back to you something like "No, you're right they aren't bell-bottoms they're more like jeans or dungarees, or slacks, but with patches." I'm watching you for any kind of facial recognition that shows you're remembering something that fits what I'm saying. So I go on, and quickly. "I'm seeing red, or orange, not patches, but maybe rust and the pants are cordu--" And then you do the work for me by raising your eyebrows excitedly and saying "Corduroys! I had a pair of brown corduroys!" Before you can finish that sentence I reward you again with "That's right! You're right! They were brown corduroys."



See what just happened? The part you'd remember and justify to yourself belief in my abilities would be how I knew about your brown corduroy pants. But I didn't know about them. I threw the following at you until hitting on the one thing that stuck:

  1. bell-bottoms – no
  2. jeans – no
  3. slacks – too general, no
  4. patches – no
  5. red – no
  6. orange – no
  7. rust – waitaminute
  8. corduroy – corduroy!



So my success in guessing something so mundane and predictable as a pair of pants in your past would be remembered, but my failure to do that on 8 out of 9 actual guesses would not.
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In the past here we have gone through actual transcripts from mediums, often presented by believers, when you do go though them you find it is questions after questions, filling in on what the person has said and repeating back to the person what they've just told the medium.
 
Darat said:
In the past here we have gone through actual transcripts from mediums, often presented by believers, when you do go though them you find it is questions after questions, filling in on what the person has said and repeating back to the person what they've just told the medium.
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#InconvenientTruths for the credulous.
 
Scorpion said:
I did have long hair for a few years.
I never wore bell bottoms.
I don't remember how often I went to concerts, but I did go to a few.

But I still maintain I did not talk much about myself in the church, as I am not a chatty person. and a medium would have had a hard time getting any personal information. In any case why would they bother? I gave only a few shillings to the collection plate.
Also the mediums at church services only come to a church about once a year, the mediums are different every week, so they do not get to know you.
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They do not need to get to know you in that way. I had the "pleasure" of actually watching one of these charlatans at work. A ten minute conversation was all it took before they gave out their "predications".
 
To be fair, "Why on earth do you believe such arrant nonsense?" is a stupid question, and we all know that no sensible answer will ever be forthcoming.
 
Scorpion said:
Do not despair; do not dwell on the negative side of any situation, for you will do no good by this. Always put into operation the forces of construction.
White Eagle, spirit guide of the late medium Grace Cook.
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Scorpion said:
Never concentrate on disease or darkness; concentrate on harmony, light.
White Eagle, spirit guide of the late medium Grace Cook.
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Scorpion said:
Maybe you are waiting for a sensible answer to a stupid question.
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Is your latest post an example of how you apply the teachings you claim to follow?
 
sackett said:
Scorp, you really, really, REALLY shouldn't call anybody else stupid.
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Did I call Darat stupid? I said his question was stupid.

He asked me if we are less evolved than tapeworms, or words to that effect.

Here is his last question. the 'it' being a porcine tapeworm.

"Then how do you know whether it is more “highly evolved “ or not than a human?"
 
From my point of view my attempts to discuss spiritual philosophy end up being dragged down to my being expected to justify soldiers raping and killing little girls. Or excusing Hitler. I do not spent much time thinking about such things, and do not dwell on them.

I maintain there is a spirit world, and some mediums are genuine. There is a purpose to our lives. If this universe was true chaos we could not, and would not exist. We have evolved physically and spiritually over many lives, and continue to do so. Things are moving onward and upward, and even though this civilisation is probably facing disaster other, better civilisations will grow out of the ruins, and life will continue on earth and other inhabited planets in the universe.
 
Scorpion said:
"Then how do you know whether it is more “highly evolved “ or not than a human?"
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That is a good question, because evolution has no "higher" level. It is always an adaptation to the circumstances, and as such is always higher - unless it is heading towards extinction.
 
steenkh said:
That is a good question, because evolution has no "higher" level. It is always an adaptation to the circumstances, and as such is always higher - unless it is heading towards extinction.
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Good point.

If there’s some sort of cataclysmic event where man succumbs to extinction and porcine tapeworms do not, in that case the tapeworms might be considered more “highly evolved” to deal with at least one type of cataclysmic event. If “highly evolved” meant anything, which it doesn’t - at least a Scorpion is simplistically using it.

I think Dawkins used rats in a similar thought experience. Let me see if Google can help me out here.

edited to add (Lordy, Google is wonderful):

“A world without rodents would be a very different world. It is less likely to come to pass than a world dominated by rodents and free of people. If nuclear war destroys humanity and most of the rest of life, a good bet for survival in the short term, and for evolutionary ancestry in the long term, is rats. I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo, digesting spilled larders, ghost supermarkets and human corpses and turning them into new generations of rats and mice, whose racing populations explode out of the cities and into the countryside. When all the relics of human profligacy are eaten, populations crash again, and the rodents turn on each other, and on the cockroaches scavenging with them. In a period of intense competition, short generations perhaps with radioactivity enhanced mutation-rates boost rapid evolution. With human ships and planes gone, islands become islands again, with local populations isolated save for occasional lucky raftings: ideal conditions for evolutionary divergence. Within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge? Will rodent historians and scientists eventually organise careful archaeological digs (gnaws?) through the strata of our long-compacted cities, and reconstruct the peculiar and temporarily tragic circumstances that gave ratkind its big break?”

From “The Ancestors Tale” - a great book.
 
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steenkh said:
That is a good question, because evolution has no "higher" level. It is always an adaptation to the circumstances, and as such is always higher - unless it is heading towards extinction.
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This, of course, is the train of thought such questions are intended to provoke. Unfortunately it doesn't work if the listener has only a superficial (verging on zero) understanding of the evolutionary process.
 
Pixel42 said:
This, of course, is the train of thought such questions are intended to provoke. Unfortunately it doesn't work if the listener has only a superficial (verging on zero) understanding of the evolutionary process.
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Yea ! I am supposed to entertain the idea that tapeworms are highly evolved in relation to humans, but I maintain that tapeworms, or for that matter cockroaches are less evolved than humans. Even though we may destroy our civilisation and even become extinct. The fact that cockroaches would survive us and still be running around on dung heaps, or whatever they do makes no difference.
Of course in a few million years of a planet without us, they might get larger and develop larger brains, and invent tools, and technology. Then they would be contenders for a higher place in the evolutionary chain.
But that will not matter to us as a species, because it is my belief that even of we become extinct on this planet and cockroaches inherit the earth, we as immortal souls will simply continue our spiritual evolution on other inhabited planets in the universe.

Actually I have heard mediums say in trance that we have incarnated on other planets in the past, and as this world is currently making great strides forward, there is a long queue of souls wanting to incarnate here at this time because of all the progress we are making.
Cultures can remain static for many generations, like the ancient Egyptians.
Life went on the same for many, many generations. But we are speeding forward at an incredible rate. Technology has leapt forward in the last 100 years and we are in a different world to our grandparents.
 
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