horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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Oh crap! There's an inanity meter on this forum? And I broke it?!

Dang, I'm sorry, varwoche. Let me pay for the repairs. Is a check OK?
OK. But do you have any comment on how spectacularly obvious it is that those very different call-outs would prompt very different responses.
 
It just feels very odd that these two would decide to do this out of the blue, and very odd that Jussie was not badly injured by them.

It feels like we are missing a lot of info on the motive side.

At any rate, if CPD is correct, this was far from your typical hate crime as initially described.
 
A couple days ago, the video of two men walking was OBVIOUSLY unrelated to Smollett. They could not possibly have encountered him in the unrecorded window.

Now that same video is supposed to be their attempt to fake an attack.

A massive percentage of the current hoax theory relies on the points 90% of the people in this thread made going back to the beginning of this thread to be dead wrong.

Maybe the instincts that make you so confident are not so great.
 
I think I am the only one who said this might have been a setup that Jussie did not know about, arranged for publicity.

Ratings have been declining for the show.

Yes, but there is no way he wasn't in on it. If one of the 'attackers' got hurt, and it is a possibility, there's some awkward explaining to do.

No video of the arrival or escape of the 'attackers' in this heavily videoed area. I'm still going with no attack actually occurred, staged or otherwise.
 
Yes, but there is no way he wasn't in on it. If one of the 'attackers' got hurt, and it is a possibility, there's some awkward explaining to do.

No video of the arrival or escape of the 'attackers' in this heavily videoed area. I'm still going with no attack actually occurred, staged or otherwise.

Although it seems clear some sort of altercation happened, on account of those cat scratches on his chaffs. Unless he inflicted them himself with his gay actor's nails.
 
I think I am the only one who said this might have been a setup that Jussie did not know about, arranged for publicity.

Ratings have been declining for the show.
But these guys are friends of Smollett and are his workout buddies. Smollett will recognize their voices right through the ski masks. If any part of the nose peeks out from behind the mask he will see that it is a black nose.
 
It just feels very odd that these two would decide to do this out of the blue, and very odd that Jussie was not badly injured by them.

It feels like we are missing a lot of info on the motive side.

At any rate, if CPD is correct, this was far from your typical hate crime as initially described.

Hate inspired crimes which involve people who know each other are not so unheard of.

What I find odd are the posters who are so sure that because these men are Nigerian they couldn't be Trump supporters. Why is that?

That said, there is no shortage of homophobia in Nigeria. Same sex relations are illegal there, it is rare for people to be openly gay and violence against gay people is common.

As for the racial element, the use of the 'n' word could have been the variant ending in "a". Or it may have been a racial insult. Animus from African immigrants towards African American descendents of slaves is a real thing.

I have yet to see anything that really contradicts the initial read. Supposed major contradictions are mostly based on things neither Smollett nor the police said. Neither said the assailants were white. Neither said there was a broken rib etc etc.

Its only if you take the media statements using non quoted, leaked and unofficial statements and speculation that much is changing. If you look at the official statements and don't make weird assumptions this is unfolding in a fairly linear way.

I suppose it could still be a hoax, but it would have to be a pretty wacky one to conspire to have two people fake a beating but purposefully do it out of camera shot. Why have any people there at all? This would have had to be planned days in advance if not weeks, so details like having the manager actually on the phone would be easy. The hoax version of this is so bizarre that i would need a lot more evidence in favor to consider it. I'm up to 70/30 that this was an actual attack. Could still be wrong but I'm finding it less likely.
 
Although it seems clear some sort of altercation happened, on account of those cat scratches on his chaffs. Unless he inflicted them himself with his gay actor's nails.

Well, something happened, maybe just a slip on the sidewalk. Who knows?

That no one else is seen entering or leaving the 60 second zone is not some trifling detail, though. It's a show-stopper.
 
A couple days ago, the video of two men walking was OBVIOUSLY unrelated to Smollett. They could not possibly have encountered him in the unrecorded window.

Now that same video is supposed to be their attempt to fake an attack.

A massive percentage of the current hoax theory relies on the points 90% of the people in this thread made going back to the beginning of this thread to be dead wrong.

Maybe the instincts that make you so confident are not so great.

I never said those stills show anything but two people walking down the street.

I am still mystified as to how those stills can be the people Jussie described.

If the police had any video that showed them clearly, why didn't they use it to get the public to ID them? Why did they post unidentifiable blobs?
 
Well, something happened, maybe just a slip on the sidewalk. Who knows?

That no one else is seen entering or leaving the 60 second zone is not some trifling detail, though. It's a show-stopper.

Once again, the supposed 60 second window has never been confirmed in a quoted official police statement.
 
Hate inspired crimes which involve people who know each other are not so unheard of.

What I find odd are the posters who are so sure that because these men are Nigerian they couldn't be Trump supporters. Why is that?

That said, there is no shortage of homophobia in Nigeria. Same sex relations are illegal there, it is rare for people to be openly gay and violence against gay people is common.

As for the racial element, the use of the 'n' word could have been the variant ending in "a". Or it may have been a racial insult. Animus from African immigrants towards African American descendents of slaves is a real thing.

I have yet to see anything that really contradicts the initial read. Supposed major contradictions are mostly based on things neither Smollett nor the police said. Neither said the assailants were white. Neither said there was a broken rib etc etc.

Its only if you take the media statements using non quoted, leaked and unofficial statements and speculation that much is changing. If you look at the official statements and don't make weird assumptions this is unfolding in a fairly linear way.

I suppose it could still be a hoax, but it would have to be a pretty wacky one to conspire to have two people fake a beating but purposefully do it out of camera shot. Why have any people there at all? This would have had to be planned days in advance if not weeks, so details like having the manager actually on the phone would be easy. The hoax version of this is so bizarre that i would need a lot more evidence in favor to consider it. I'm up to 70/30 that this was an actual attack. Could still be wrong but I'm finding it less likely.

Well, it was widely reported as a hate crime perpetrated by white redneck Trump supporters, and it was widely used as that for political points.

As an aside, you can hear these guys speak on various videos.

They sound pretty distinctive.

For being strong, large, fast football playing weightlifting types, they did very little damage for all the hate they supposedly had for Jussie.

Shouldn't Jussie have recognized the black version of the N word over the redneck version?
 
But these guys are friends of Smollett and are his workout buddies. Smollett will recognize their voices right through the ski masks. If any part of the nose peeks out from behind the mask he will see that it is a black nose.

Possible that these two guys hate gays or something and genuinely did send the letter, and Smollett opportunistically faked an attack after a slip on the street, for publicity? Accounts for all known evidence as I see it.
 
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