The Green New Deal

[acbytesla]

100% I was lucky enough to have a ride (and a short drive) of a Tesla a few weeks ago (2014 model S P85 Auto)

HOLY SNAPPIN' DUCK-****. 0-100km/hr in about four seconds. It felt like someone had run a bus into the back of the passenger's seat.

I've never had the pleasure but I know a few people that own them. They love their car for that reason.

Go on to YouTube and put in search term "tesla street drag race" and you can see countless videos of Teslas blowing the doors off of just about anything.. I remember when everyone thought electric cars were no better than golf carts.

And along those lines it was a Volkswagen electric car that won the Pikes Peak hill climb rally demolishing the record to the top.

 

[BadBoy]

I tried to make this point about developing countries... It fell on deaf ears

oh sorry, what Smartcooky says.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Those things have nothing to do with the environment and specifically global warming.

Of course not. That's the point!

The ideas around Universal Health Care and Universal Basic Income are not "communist". Providing Universal Health Care just benefits everyone, it doesn't make the UK or Canada suddenly a communist country.

See your first comment. Those things have nothing to do with the environment and specifically global warming.

The United States could easily afford a Basic Universal Income. The idea is it gets people out of the poverty trap, creates mobility. I have no idea if it would actually work, it's just an idea to solve certain social problems, but it shouldn't be dismissed just because it smells of Communism by some people.

I think we already solved that many times. But even if you want to try that all over again and fail all over again, go for it. But it's a separate issue. See comment at top yet again.

The problems in the West generally I think are associated with a lack of social cohesion and too much consumerism over what really matters. Don't get me wrong I am no communist and I like having nice stuff. But for me a good country to live in is one where people care for each other and are respectful and are proud of their wellfare state.

You are allowed your opinion, yet again though, see comment #1 above. It has nothing to do with the environment or global warming. Argue it separately, not as part of your environmental policy.

 

[BadBoy]

I nearly made a mistake yesterday as i ponderously tapped out a post on my phone. I was going to state that steel and aluminium smelters can easily be run by renewable power generation, but then for steel i realised i had forgotten about coke in the production.

But puting aside the difficulty of substituting coke, just on cost in the mid term aluminium and steel manufacturers won't be able to compete unless they use mainly hydro, wind and solar power.

Local nuclear reactor?

I think though of course these are the interesting problems that need to be solved. I think the USA could be one of the best placed countries to invest and find solutions to these problems.

One of the cool back stories in the Alien film franchise (I thought anyway) was the idea that Terra-forming was developed, "packaged" and deployed by a private company.

I am not a huge fan of E Musk, but he appears to be doing a relatively good job playing in that market space.

 

[BadBoy]

Of course not. That's the point!

See your first comment. Those things have nothing to do with the environment and specifically global warming.

I think we already solved that many times. But even if you want to try that all over again and fail all over again, go for it. But it's a separate issue. See comment at top yet again.

You are allowed your opinion, yet again though, see comment #1 above. It has nothing to do with the environment or global warming. Argue it separately, not as part of your environmental policy.

No, your post appears to be trying to support your argument by suggesting that the environmental lobby has been hijacked by communists, you even provided an anecdote.

I am merely pointing out that:

1. The examples you provide from the Green New Deal and the Green party are not communist.
2. And that even if they were, these are not necessarily directly associated with issues generally encompassed by the "Environmental Movement" as so is not an indication that said movement is a communist conspiracy. Perhaps the Green New Deal has been, but it is not enough evidence to support your assertion.
3. My last point was an opinion (which I admitted to in that post). However, you seem to be implying that Universal Health Care and Universal Basic Income are bad because they are part of a Communist ideology. I think that's wrong and that the States apparent struggle accepting these ideas is probably partly what is causing their social issues - IMO (I have no evidence for this though, other than the "happiest countries" ratings).

 

[Brainster]

100% I was lucky enough to have a ride (and a short drive) of a Tesla a few weeks ago (2014 model S P85 Auto)

HOLY SNAPPIN' DUCK-****. 0-100km/hr in about four seconds. It felt like someone had run a bus into the back of the passenger's seat.

And I assume that kind of acceleration doesn't cost the planet anything in terms of energy? Or is it that Tesla drivers forget basic physics?

 

[a_unique_person]

And I assume that kind of acceleration doesn't cost the planet anything in terms of energy? Or is it that Tesla drivers forget basic physics?

Is that a rhetorical question?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

And I assume that kind of acceleration doesn't cost the planet anything in terms of energy? Or is it that Tesla drivers forget basic physics?

depending on the direction of the acceleration, the planet might even gain rotational energy.

 

[Orphia Nay]

The environmental movement has been hijacked by the socialists and communists as long as I can remember. It was being discussed at least as far back as the late 1970's and early 1980's.



Since then is was never actually about the environment ever, but rather how to gain support for socialism and communism. This Green New Deal is a prime example of that actually. The job guarantee, Basic income, and universal health care provisions of the GND is proof of that.



...

Australian government taxation-funded unemployment benefits were first proposed in 1938 by the more socialist of our major political parties. The legislation was passed in 1945 under the conservative political party.

Treating individuals with respect is not exclusive to either ideology, and certainly not in this increasingly educated, connected, fast-developing, and efficient world.


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[Squeegee Beckenheim]

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1095485229291237376

By a stunning 30-point margin, millennials support a Green New Deal.

Article embedded in tweet.

 

[smartcooky]

depending on the direction of the acceleration, the planet might even gain rotational energy.

Hahahah! Excellent!

 

[smartcooky]

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1095485229291237376



Article embedded in tweet.

What can I do other than repost this.....

 

[applecorped]

Occasional cortex's ego is as big as meteor I will give you that

 

[Belz...]

Occasional cortex's ego is as big as meteor I will give you that

Aw, like your dear leader you found a cute nickname to throw at her. I suppose it beats having to admit you have nothing substantive to say about her.

 

[applecorped]

Pavlov approves

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I nearly made a mistake yesterday as i ponderously tapped out a post on my phone. I was going to state that steel and aluminium smelters can easily be run by renewable power generation, but then for steel i realised i had forgotten about coke in the production.

But puting aside the difficulty of substituting coke, just on cost in the mid term aluminium and steel manufacturers won't be able to compete unless they use mainly hydro, wind and solar power.

Isn't electricity one of the dominant costs in aluminum smelting even now?

Your wording on steel smelters is confusing. What role did you see renewable electricity playing in steel smelting before you realized coke was involved?

Coke is the nearly the sole source of energy for iron smelting right now. Its' a lot cheaper than electricity. It also has the advantage of being an easy way to get rid the dangerously hot oxygen. Which, of course, is the problem since that leads to CO2.

 

[Ziggurat]

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1095485229291237376

Students Love Green New Deal... Until Hearing What's In It

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Wow, 'Cortex' is an awesome nickname, not something I expected the misogynists to come up with.

 

[Wayward son]

I did notice that, i said construction and decommissioning and you answered with a preprepared answer on mining in the Congo.

You think that children are going to be constructing and decommissioning nuclear plants?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Students Love Green New Deal... Until Hearing What's In It

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