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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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newyorkguy said:
Really amazing propaganda. I think the Mueller investigation -- through the indictments and convictions -- have shown there was collusion beyond any reasonable doubt.
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No one in the administration has been indicted, let alone convicted, of any collusion with the Russians.
 
Worm said:
Doesn't regulating drug prices require federal control? I thought Republicans were generally against government interference?
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Yes regulations are a type of federal control.

Republicans claim to be against government interference, but like everything else they claim, it is a lie.
 
Belz... said:
:covereyes
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It's like evolution. They only look at one piece of evidence and claim it means nothing. The ability to look at all of the evidence as a whole is lost on them, they can never see the forest because they are too busy taking a dump on Hillary Clinton looking at Hillary's emails.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Meant "panhandle". Trump Country.
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For those unfamiliar, Tallahassee - the state capitol - is in the panhandle and is largely democratic.

As evidence, their primary newspaper:

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But stipulated that the majority of the panhandle is rural and Trump country.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
For those unfamiliar, Tallahassee - the state capitol - is in the panhandle and is largely democratic.

As evidence, their primary newspaper:

But stipulated that the majority of the panhandle is rural and Trump country.
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[spelling nitpick] capitol is a building, capital is a government hq of a state/country etc [/sorry]
 
Florida, even more so then most states, has a big Urban/Rural divide. Probably why it's always such a swing state.
 
Two Trump retweets (from The White House) right next to each other.
They would seem to be somewhat contradictory.

Americans pay 180 percent of what Europeans, Canadians, and Japanese pay for the exact same drugs
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President Trump's commitment to improving the quality of life for all Americans has led to the largest single decline in drug prices in 46 YEARS.
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Ziggurat said:
No one in the administration has been indicted, let alone convicted, of any collusion with the Russians.
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True. They just get convicted of trying to cover up their contacts with Russia.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/1/16724742/michael-flynn-plead-guilty-lied-fbi

"Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty in federal court Friday on charges of lying to the FBI about his contact with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition."

The "No collusion" claims are like looking at a radar map showing a storm coming and insisting that it is not raining now and there is nothing to worry about.

Trump Jr. will probably get indicted for lying to congress about his meetings and we will still hear the claims of "no collusion" again since that is not the charge that will hit him.
 
Doubt said:
True. They just get convicted of trying to cover up their contacts with Russia.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/1/16724742/michael-flynn-plead-guilty-lied-fbi

"Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty in federal court Friday on charges of lying to the FBI about his contact with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition."

The "No collusion" claims are like looking at a radar map showing a storm coming and insisting that it is not raining now and there is nothing to worry about.

Trump Jr. will probably get indicted for lying to congress about his meetings and we will still hear the claims of "no collusion" again since that is not the charge that will hit him.
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Convictions for lying about contacts with Russia is not evidence of collusion. It doesn't mean they were colluding with those Russians.
 
Mexican President Nieto said he condemns Trump's plan to begin construction of a wall.
"This is very, very upsetting to the Mexican people.But we'll get over it"
 
BobTheCoward said:
Convictions for lying about contacts with Russia is not evidence of collusion. It doesn't mean they were colluding with those Russians.
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So seeing evidence of smoke from many sources is not evidence of fire in your world. Noted and dismissed.

Having contact with Russians in a professional role as a working member of the US government and documenting it is not evidence of collusion. What Flynn did would have been enough to get an espionage investigation started on him had he not been a general although that should not have allowed him to slide by.

And before you chime in again with a stupid statement about it not being evidence, I had a secret clearance and attended many OPSEC briefings. Yes, that is evidence of collusion. But evidence /= a complete case.
 
Doubt said:
And before you chime in again with a stupid statement about it not being evidence, I had a secret clearance and attended many OPSEC briefings. Yes, that is evidence of collusion. But evidence /= a complete case.
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Just to add to this, in many cases unreported contacts with a foreign agent is enough to revoke a security clearance...especially if there are multiple contacts, evidence of attempts to cover up the contact (not just forgetting to mention it), or any other suspicious activity.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Schiff says that Congress will start looking into Trump's finances to see if it can uncover a reason for the White House's violation of the Magnitsky Act in failing to provide its conclusions to Congress re the murder of Khashoggi
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Does he have a reason to suspect to look there or is he fishing? Seems wrong to invade an aspect of someone's life unrelated to your case.
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Of course there are reasons to suspect.

- Trump broke the law in not properly reporting to congress. There must obviously be SOME reason for him to do so

- Trump has failed to divest himself of his assets prior to taking office, or put things into a proper blind trust. This should raise a huge red flag with everyone, since it helps provide ample opportunities for bribes of various types

- Trump has had multiple business dealings with various Saudis in the past (They have provided needed cash when Trump was facing financial difficulties in the past)

IF Trump hadn't violated the Magnitsky Act, perhaps there wouldn't be a reason to investigate. If Trump had actually divested himself prior to taking office, then there would be less reason to suspect direct financial benefit.
 
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