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The Trump Presidency 13: The (James) Baker's Dozen

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BobTheCoward said:
Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman.
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"Incredibly violent"? What superlative would they use to describe the violence of a mass stabbing?
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What happened was an assault against a member of the media, at an event that featured a speaker (i.e. the president) who has repeatedly made allegations that the media was the "enemy of the people".

Here's a suggestion... instead of complaining about the wording of the reporter's statement or possible exaggerations, maybe you should actually be a little more concerned about the actions of Trump, when he constantly insults the media (calling it "fake news") and claiming that they are the "enemy of the people". (And he has been doing so even after they were targeted by one of his supporters with bomb threats.)

If you had to rate the 2 things, a rational person would find the bigger problem with the actions of Trump rather than the way the victims characterize the attacks.
 
Segnosaur said:
The president and employees of the executive are allowed to engage in political activities, but they are required to reimburse the government for some of the costs.

From: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...y-when-presidents-attend-rallies/65-584456401
If the president travels to endorse Congressional Candidates, either the campaign or a political action committee must reimburse the government for some of the expenses. Things like food, lodging and whatever the president would have paid on a commercial ticket. When travel involves both official and political functions, the White House uses a formula to determine how much airfare is to be paid by the traveler, and how any per diem and other travel related costs are to be paid by the government. Also the Federal Election Commission said for travel on behalf of a campaign, "The reimbursement for that travel is the responsibility of the committee on whose behalf the travel occurs."

So, the big question is whether Trump actually followed protocol and paid for his food/lodging/cost of a commercial flight, or whether he avoided those costs by either: 1) totally ignoring the issue (which would be illegal, but falls in line with how Trump normally operates), or 2) claiming that the trip was an 'official' function (i.e. part of his official job as president, which most people recognize that it was not.)
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And its something that previous presidents have done without any issues, of course previous presidents had no trouble releasing their tax returns or divesting themselves of their financial interests, or you know a thousand other things that Trump appears to find impossible.

Segnosaur said:
What happened was an assault against a member of the media, at an event that featured a speaker (i.e. the president) who has repeatedly made allegations that the media was the "enemy of the people".

Here's a suggestion... instead of complaining about the wording of the reporter's statement or possible exaggerations, maybe you should actually be a little more concerned about the actions of Trump, when he constantly insults the media (calling it "fake news") and claiming that they are the "enemy of the people". (And he has been doing so even after they were targeted by one of his supporters with bomb threats.)

If you had to rate the 2 things, a rational person would find the bigger problem with the actions of Trump rather than the way the victims characterize the attacks.
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Yeah but its become SOP now for Trumpistas (and Bob), avoid substantive issues by finding some piece of trivia to obsess over.
 
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Ziggurat said:
That's not quite true. The Hatch Act prohibits most federal employees from doing partisan political activities. But employees of the Executive Office of the President are allowed to...
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Didn't a POTUS and Veep or two get chastised for using the oval office phone for campaigning?
 
dudalb said:
That politics is often about emotion, about symbolism and imagery ,is what a lot of people here just do not get. It's the Mr. Spock syndrome again (expecting humand beings to be totally logical and have no emotions).
I don't like it at all, but that is the reality,and to ignore that fact is just plain stupid from a political pointe of view.
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And that's why we just keep having the "But Trump winning makes no logical sense... oh look he won" conversation over and over and people going "Well can't win again that doesn't make any sense!" in response.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And that's why we just keep having the "But Trump winning makes no logical sense... oh look he won" conversation over and over and people going "Well can't win again that doesn't make any sense!" in response.
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Do you ever get tired of being so much more enlightened and wise than everyone else?

Seriously, that is not the conversation people are having. Every time someone talks about the bad policy or harm Trump does, you pop in to say "Trump supporters won't care". And when people note when he breaks laws you go "Oh, you guys are always saying 'this is going to get him' and it never does".

Has it occurred to you that people are having a different conversation, and you are just making snide interjections? Not every discussion is "here is our official public message to defeat Trump".
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Indeed. I corrected myself a few posts later.
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sorry - skimming.


Norman Alexander said:
I'd like to see him highlighting anything. I suspect it's all stream-of-conscience output for him, plus loose dentures. United Shtashes! Covfefe!
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In this case, he'd be highlighting to copy / paste the Persian from whomever sent it to him. That could require a staff of 3 or 4, now that I think of it.


Imagine if you will:


Lackey - here's the Iranian-language thing, Mr. Pres, just cut & paste it into your tweet.


Pres - I'm trying to highlight, but every time I get to the end, it switches to highlight the first word.


Lackey - That's because it's Persian; they write from right to left, like Arabic.


Pres - (struggling) Grr. Stupid phone Grr. covfefe.
 
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Segnosaur said:
What happened was an assault against a member of the media, at an event that featured a speaker (i.e. the president) who has repeatedly made allegations that the media was the "enemy of the people".

Here's a suggestion... instead of complaining about the wording of the reporter's statement or possible exaggerations, maybe you should actually be a little more concerned about the actions of Trump, when he constantly insults the media (calling it "fake news") and claiming that they are the "enemy of the people". (And he has been doing so even after they were targeted by one of his supporters with bomb threats.)

If you had to rate the 2 things, a rational person would find the bigger problem with the actions of Trump rather than the way the victims characterize the attacks.
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I don't think you understand what a rational person is. Two different conclusions can be reached by two different rational people based on what they value.
 
I wish Mueller would hurry up and put a stop to all this nonsense.
 
Trump Tweets

Was just presented the concept and parameters of the Border Security Deal by hard working Senator Richard Shelby. Looking over all aspects knowing that this will be hooked up with lots of money from other sources....

....Will be getting almost $23 BILLION for Border Security. Regardless of Wall money, it is being built as we speak!
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It's being reported that the White House is planning to use money for flood control projects in California, and disaster relief for Puerto Rico and California to fund building the wall
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This is from his crackerjack team of advisors. Basically it's the "look for loose change behind the sofa cushions" scenario. The Executive thinks that they can appropriate any unused monies from various programs (authorized by Congress or by actual Emergencies) to finance the boss's boondoggle. The precedent this would set for the next Dem President scares anyone in the Republican Party with a brain. On January 21, 2020 President Pocahontas will have the auditors check the pockets and bottoms of the purses at the Pentagon and appropriate all the left-over funds and direct it to the purchase of every available property within 2 miles of Mar A Lago, New Bedford, the Trump Hotel D.C., and Trump Plaza in NYC. "Homelessness is a national crisis. By Executive Order we are funding the Every Man a King series of Homeless Centers. In order to apply the funds to rehabilitation programs, construction will be of unpainted cinderblock and tar paper."

Or she could declare a National Park and Water Moccasin Refuge in the entire Florida panhandle.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Was just presented the concept and parameters of the Border Security Deal by hard working Senator Richard Shelby. Looking over all aspects knowing that this will be hooked up with lots of money from other sources....

....Will be getting almost $23 BILLION for Border Security. Regardless of Wall money, it is being built as we speak!
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That is so desperate.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Was just presented the concept and parameters of the Border Security Deal by hard working Senator Richard Shelby. Looking over all aspects knowing that this will be hooked up with lots of money from other sources....

....Will be getting almost $23 BILLION for Border Security. Regardless of Wall money, it is being built as we speak!
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Trump-Or-Not says only 67% chance this tweet was written by Donny. The word "parameters" should be a giveaway. It's a word he doesn't know or use.
 
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