Mueller Investigation pt4

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This could be a coincidence, or Mueller could have some hot stuff on tap this month.


Mueller asked Congress to postpone Michael Cohen's testimony until Feb 28, and Maria Buttina's sentencing hearing has been put off from Feb 12 until Feb 26.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It's being reported that long-time Deripaska associate Len Blavatnik donated $7m to Republican PACs between 2015 and 2017, including $3.5m to one associated with McConnell

Reminder: McConnell pushed for an end to sanctions on 3 companies tied to Deripaska, and Senate Republicans did end them.
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:eye-poppi

I said it: the man is a traitor. They should bring back hanging for those.

I wonder how far back this goes for McConnell. Might explain his actions under Obama, too.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
It is traitorous that a US citizen is donating to a PAC?
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Its a bit more complex than that.

Blavatnick may be a U.S. citizen, but:
- He had significant dealings with foreign business interests
- McConnell's actions in the senate helped some of those foreign business interests

So while there may have been an American citizen as an intermediary, it looks like McConnell took what amounted to a bribe financed by foreign interests

There is certainly more there than whatever Trump and the republicans are claiming when it comes to the Clinton/Uranium1 connection.
 
Segnosaur said:
Its a bit more complex than that.

Blavatnick may be a U.S. citizen, but:
- He had significant dealings with foreign business interests
- McConnell's actions in the senate helped some of those foreign business interests

So while there may have been an American citizen as an intermediary, it looks like McConnell took what amounted to a bribe financed by foreign interests

There is certainly more there than whatever Trump and the republicans are claiming when it comes to the Clinton/Uranium1 connection.
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Some US citizens have foreign interests they would like the federal government to address. There is a magnitsky act because an American was friends with magnitsky. Is bill browder a traitor?
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Some US citizens have foreign interests they would like the federal government to address.
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A private citizen wanting the government to address a particular issue is not a problem (even if that issue involves foreign interests).

The problem arises when that issue:

1- Gets more attention than it would normally get because of secondary issues (e.g. the politician is friends with the person wanting action, or in this case the person has contributed money to their re-election.)

2- results in actions that are detrimental to the country as a whole (or at least the citizens the politician represents), even if they do benefit the citizen asking for assistance. This is the case here. (Russians interfered with the American election process, and McConnell is taking actions that will embolden them to do so again, by removing punishments for those who had a part last time. And one of the beneficiaries of his action is someone who donated to his campaign.)

There is a magnitsky act because an American was friends with magnitsky. Is bill browder a traitor?
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Did Browder donate money specifically to get politicians elected that would be favorable to passing the Magnitsky act or similar legislation? No. (Putin did claim that he donated to Clinton's campaign, but that claim has been found to be false by Politifact.)

Is the implementation of the Magnitsky act harmful to the U.S.? No, in fact laws that prevent corruption are beneficial to the country (and the global economy) as a whole.

So no, totally different than the type of election payments to support McConnell's campaign, when McConnell is taking action to harm the U.S. election process.
 
McConnell has no excuse whatsoever, since he has been a member of the Gang of Eight for bloody forever - he knows exactly what Russia is doing in the US, or could every easily find out.
Traitor is the correct description, since Russia is clearly waging a kind of war against the West.
 
Segnosaur said:
Is the implementation of the Magnitsky act harmful to the U.S.? No, in fact laws that prevent corruption are beneficial to the country (and the global economy) as a whole.

So no, totally different than the type of election payments to support McConnell's campaign, when McConnell is taking action to harm the U.S. election process.
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I'm unconvinced by this, but you shouldn't worry about that.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
McConnell has no excuse whatsoever, since he has been a member of the Gang of Eight for bloody forever - he knows exactly what Russia is doing in the US, or could every easily find out.
Traitor is the correct description, since Russia is clearly waging a kind of war against the West.
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How do you know he doesn't think it is good for the US?
 
BobTheCoward said:
How do you know he doesn't think it is good for the US?
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Whether he personally thinks that its "good for the U.S." to be a puppet state of Russia is irrelevant. It would still make him a traitor to go against U.S. law (which much of this might be) in order to accomplish the goal. After all, I don't think the defense "I think its best if democracy to be subverted" is really a good argument to make.

And if he really thought it was a good idea? Then why is he not trying to bring about a change in the laws? (If he really thought it was good for the U.S. he could co-author the "Make Putin the president of the U.S." bill.) Instead, he's trying to skirt around the law and subverting it.
 
Segnosaur said:
Whether he personally thinks that its "good for the U.S." to be a puppet state of Russia is irrelevant. It would still make him a traitor to go against U.S. law (which much of this might be) in order to accomplish the goal. After all, I don't think the defense "I think its best if democracy to be subverted" is really a good argument to make.

And if he really thought it was a good idea? Then why is he not trying to bring about a change in the laws? (If he really thought it was good for the U.S. he could co-author the "Make Putin the president of the U.S." bill.) Instead, he's trying to skirt around the law and subverting it.
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Did we read the same article? I didn't see anything about the law there.
 
carlitos said:
This could be a coincidence, or Mueller could have some hot stuff on tap this month.


Mueller asked Congress to postpone Michael Cohen's testimony until Feb 28, and Maria Buttina's sentencing hearing has been put off from Feb 12 until Feb 26.
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Looks like Cohen's testimony could be delayed indefinitely due to medical reasons.

From: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...timony-postponed-due-to-surgery-idUSKCN1Q02F8
Testimony by U.S. President Donald Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen planned for Tuesday before the Senate Intelligence Committee has been postponed due to a recent medical procedure...
 
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