Merphie, if I ever need someone to make irrelevant comments, I'll ask you. But in the mean time, fornicate off, would ya?
Iran calls to destroy Israel, solves the "who's gonna hit Iran's nukes" question.
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Merphie, if I ever need someone to make irrelevant comments, I'll ask you. But in the mean time, fornicate off, would ya?
I just wanted to confirm your statement. You said anyone who pays taxes is a citizen. So that means that green cards are pointless.
If my comment is irrelevant then so is yours. I know you don't like it when people question your ignorance.
The US policy of isolation of Iran was a mutual policy.
The moderates in Iran never had the power to engage the US in any meaningful way. The mullahs have controlled Iran since the Shah fell and they need to demonize the US (and Israel) to distract from their own incompetence and tyranny.
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The moderates in Iran never had the power to engage the US in any meaningful way. The mullahs have controlled Iran since the Shah fell and they need to demonize the US (and Israel) to distract from their own incompetence and tyranny.
CBL
I'll take that as an ackowledgement that you made a pointless comment that makes no sense.
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Are you claiming there are no non-jews living in Israel as full citizens of that country?
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I can think of one reason; being surounded by hostiles who think nothing of targeting civilians with explosives.
The utopian ideal is nice enough, and it may very well be that worldwide society is moving in that direction, but to suggest this particular change in the one part of the world where it would be the least practical is just stupid.
I know that there are non-jewish citizens of Israel (something like 20%, if I'm not mistaken), but I also know that the non-jewish Israelis often complain of being treated like second-class citizens.
Do you know what's really utopian? Believing that violence and oppression will bring peace and security.
Making sense would be a good start
Boring. You can't even troll in an interesting way...
I don't want to start a pissing contest again. It's ok if your statement makes no sense. It's a free country. Mostly.
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You realize that describes the Palestinians, don't you?
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In Israel there are Jewish citizens and non-Jewish citizens. There are 2 classes of citizenship. I number them 1 and 2 for convenience. The Israeli government insists on knowing if its citizens are jewish or not so it knows which laws to apply to them.
In the homeland of a single religion, People of other religions are second class citizens. You may decide this is not a big issue but lets not try to make it go away...You may even believe that there is no advantage or disadvantage in Israel to being in one citizenship class or another if you wish.
Different laws or application of laws differently to people of different religions is repugnant to me and illegal in the country I live in. I understand it is illegal in the USA too?...But I understand many people support the principle...or don't support the principle but support people who do anyway.
I think it must be a middle east thing because there are so many nations there that do this....constantly stressing out about what particular supernatural being its citizens pester.
See, it's little things like this that really make you sound like a college freshman.
A couple of glaring points: first, it's not "modern" states we're talking about. Second, why don't you tell the Hutus and Tutsis in Africa about how unimportant ethnicity is becoming. Or the Nepalese. Or any of a host of people being systematically exterminated because of their ethnicity or some other irrational ancient hatred. I'm sure they'll be glad to hear that everything's fine.
If it hasn't happened in your country or your lifetime, it doesn't seem to matter much to you, Orwell. Everything's an academic exercise in abstact theory. A classic sign of the know-it-all borne of idealistic youth.
Yes it does describes some Palestinians, just as it describes some Israelis. It describes many leaders and politicians on both sides.
That's precisely why states and nations must move away from ethnic, religious and cultural definitions of citizenship. Because that's the best way to move away from those old hatreds.
Rather be an "idealistic youth" than a stick-in-the-mud defender of business as usual. 'Cause, you know, business as usual has been a dismal failure.
Ah, moving from "they are" to "they should." This, Orwell, is what they call getting caught out.
You assume incorrectly. Just because I don't march with a sign doesn't mean I'm for the status quo. It's this kind of compartmentalized, small-world thinking that makes your tender years so obvious. No offense meant, seriously - I was there myself, once. The good news is that each of us keep getting smarter.
No arguments, no ideas, just rhetoric. That's jocko in a nutshell.
Do you know where you can shove your condescending little remarks about my age (about which you know absolutely nothing, by the way), Mr. Sanctimonious Stick-in-the-mud? That's right, right there were the sun don't shine.